hello again event various macbook pro

I’ve had a blast configuring the new MacBook Pro in Apple’s online store and a lack of 32GB RAM upgrade option immediately jumped out at me. Thirteen-inch Pros include 8GB RAM while the faster and pricier fifteen-inch machines double that to to sixteen gigabytes.

According to Apple, the new MacBook Pro cannot be configured with 32 gigabytes of RAM because doubling the memory would have a negative impact on battery life.

MacRumors reader David emailed Apple’s marketing boss Phil Schiller asking about the RAM situation on the new MacBook Pro notebooks.

“The lack of a 32GB build-to-order option for the new MacBook Pros raised some eyebrows and caused some concerns (me included),” reads David’s email.

“Does ~3 GBps bandwidth to flash storage make this a moot issue? I.e. memory paging on a 16GB system is so fast that 32GB is not a significant improvement?”, he asked.

Schiller responded that outfitting the new notebook with more than 16GB RAM would waste too much energy and have a negative impact on battery life.

Here’s Schiller’s response in full:

It is a good question. To put more than 16GB of fast RAM into a notebook design at this time would require a memory system that consumes much more power and wouldn’t be efficient enough for a notebook. I hope you check out this new generation MacBook Pro, it really is an incredible system.

The new Pros use faster 2133 MHz memory.

This shouldn’t concern the vast majority of notebook users because the 15-incher has plenty of RAM to run many apps without slowdowns. But if you’re going to be driving four external displays in 4K resolution via the new Pro to edit 4K and 6K footage and use the most resource-intensive apps, then I guess you might have a problem.

hello again event macbook pro performance

What Apple should have done, I’d reckon, is permit power users to configure their MacBook Pro with 32GB RAM because those types of customers surely wouldn’t mind doubling the RAM at the expense of battery life.

Also, if you’re going to edit high-resolution footage on this notebook you’re probably going to connect a desktop monitor to your Pro via USB-C, which also charges the notebook so battery life shouldn’t be something to worry about.

hello again event macbook pro thermal architecture

I’m guessing Schiller forgot to mention that doubling the RAM would also make the CPU/GPU and the RAM chips become too hot to perform reliably. Intel’s Skylake chips and AMD’s dedicated Radeon GPU in the new Pro already require a whole new thermal architecture to keep components cool.

In fact, the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro is rated with ten hours of wireless web use or iTunes movie playback, which is an hour improvement over the previous 15-incher.

According to Apple’s webpage, the new MacBook Pro “continuously monitors system thermal and power conditions, and may adjust performance as needed to maintain optimal system operation” so there’s that.

Does the RAM situation on the new MacBook Pro make sense to you?

Source: MacRumors

  • Buy the Mac Pro. Period. Problem solved. Deal with it!

    • Mr Mop

      But the hardware in the Mac Pro is 3 years old

      • asdf


    • george

      Shitty advice

    • tipoo2

      Buy a GCN 1.0 GPU computer for a few thousand dollars in 2016? Yeah, no. The combined performance of the two highest end GPUs in there has far been outstripped by cheaper single cards.

    • Rejkelie

      That is not a solution for a couple of reasons.

      1. Many people (especially in R&D) work in multiple locations and wants there main computer to be easily moveable. The garbage can isn’t.
      2. The design of the MP is > 3 years old and the performance is not on pair with competition given the price. It was good then. Not now.
      3. Longevity, the write off time in most companies is >= 3 years. Any MBP you buy today will most likely have to survive until ~2020. Having that capped to 16GB will make it a no go for many professional users.

      I’m sure the MBP will sell like water in Sahara to all people wanting to flash the L&G but for many us “professionals” this is unfortunately a complete showstopper at the moment and will make me keep my current MBP 15″ in the lab until te next spin of the HW comes out with more memory.

    • Jess

      do you lack imagination, or just like to criticize others? there’s a million use cases that require a powerful laptop. and some of these even save lives..

  • Agneev Mukherjee

    Typo right there.

    The new Pros use faster 2,1333 MHz memory.

    It’s 2133MHz.

    • Fixed, thanks

    • YaBoyLilMayo

      Is It really that big of a deal? You still know wtf they mean bruh. This is the only website where people feel the need to become grammar nazis in the comments as if they get a prize or something for finding a tiny typo that doesn’t even effect the story….hold this L

      • Agneev Mukherjee

        Yes, 2,1333 instead of 2133 is a big deal, ask a tech nazi and you’ll know.

  • TechnoBuff

    Chris, your hyperbole is interesting “I’ve had a blast configuring the new MacBook Pro in Apple’s online store”

    The is only a max of 3 buttons to select from, there is not much to configure and you call that a BLAST!!!!! LOL

    You make the mundane sound so phenomenal !

  • Jibbley Gravey

    But it’s our choice? is it not? I’ll BEAT Tim Cook’s A**

    • rockdude094

      just get another laptop there are other brands other than apple you know

      • Jibbley Gravey

        That run MacOS?????? lol no. No brand but APPLE. Still pushing with my Macbook Air.

      • techfreak23

        Hackintosh BRO

      • Jibbley Gravey

        BRO …. we BOTH know HACKINTOSH is CRAP compared to the real deal… Trust me… before i had a Mac I attempted a hackintosh machine… JUST NO

      • techfreak23

        Meh it’s not that bad. I converted my old custom built pc into a Hackintosh and only had one issue that was very minor. Everything else worked PERFECTLY.

      • Jess

        there’s Windows, or OS X. what else??

  • Andre Gironda

    The Mac Pro desktop (read: non-portable) is not something to lug around for digital forensics acquisitions. The MacBook Pro via macOS made it easy to engage a ramdisk. However, if a memory acquisition from another computer has 16G or more RAM, then it can’t be expanded in the MBP’s ramdisk space.

    The MBP is a flagship device for users wanting to plug into 4 4K or 2 5K monitors at the office desk while carrying to others’ cubes and into conference rooms for meetings. It doesn’t need 10 hours of battery life — it would be fine with 2-4 hours.

    The escape key isn’t that big of a deal — an external keyboard can provide that escape-key experience at the desk. However, the 16G of RAM is a huge deal — Engineers, Administrators, App developers, technology designers, and technology people of all types can use 32G of RAM — heck they can use 64G of RAM. With Docker containers (e.g., docker-machine), Cluster Operating Systems (e.g., Mesos DCOS), and workstation-style guest-OS virtualization (e.g., Vagrant, Parallels, Virtualbox, et al) — I don’t see how the MBP is relevant in an era where increasing RAM-space demands are scaling. What about CAD/CAM users who enjoy the roaming-cubes and conference-room roaming experience? What about deep learning prototypers? What about CG designers? Everyone can use more RAM! We want RAM, Apple, not excuses!!

    • 5723alex .

      Buy a Surface Book i7. You can fit in 128GB of RAM, drive 8 4K monitors or 6 5K ….

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  • Mr_Coldharbour

    How is 16GB of RAM not enough? Maybe for those who are running multiple virtual machines and web servers on that single MBP and apps that have been running for 2 days straight, 16GB is plenty good.

    • Ricky Williams

      It’s not that 16GBs is not enough the problem is that it’s not an option. Some are more concerned with what they can’t get. There will be all these reasons why it’s needed no matter what other options are out there to fill the need. I’ve run my 2012 MBP with 16GBs of RAM since new and the RAM has never for me been the issue. I run multiple virtual machines with Linux and Windows without any issues. Like other posters have said there are other laptops out there, there is also the iMac and Mac Pro.

      • Mr_Coldharbour

        Agreed. However as I stated I don’t think 32GB was ever an option on an Apple notebook, past or present. That’s why the iMac or Mac Pro (provided we see an update for those machines) are more compelling options.

    • techfreak23

      Apple no longer caters to professionals and hasn’t been for the last few years. This is an issue for those types of users. I myself have 16GB of RAM in my 2011 13″ MacBook Pro and I’m pretty consistently using anywhere between 10-14GB of RAM and I don’t even do any video, photo, or audio editing. I don’t think this is a problem for a majority of users, but definitely a pain in the ass for professionals.

      • Mr_Coldharbour

        I do agree completely that shortly after the arrival of Tim Cook professionals have taken a back seat. Despite this, look at the PC market as a whole, who else besides Apple offers 16GB of RAM in a laptop as a standard baseline? No one else not even gaming PC manufacturers like Dell’s Alienware. Again, I do agree with what you said. All I’m saying is: (1) Apple computers still generally offer much more RAM in their computers in recent years. (2) Maybe the iMacs and Mac Pros will get updated and those go up to 64GB of RAM if not more, and that should be a solution.

      • AquaVelva

        So get an iMac. When the MBP has NEVER had more than 16GB, what is your complaint? Professionals have other options in the mac lineup and if those are insufficient (as they apparently have been FOR YEARS), then get some other device.

      • Jess

        You’re both missing the point. Just because MBP never had more than 16GB doesn’t mean it never should. Needs change, 4K and soon higher video standards (since this laptop can be expected to last many years) now require more RAM than in the past. If a professional or production studio is committed to OS X, there is literally no other choice for mobile professionals.

        We’re not talking about baseline RAM, other vendors offer 32GB as an option, why not Apple? The answer is simple actually – to force users to upgrade in 1-2 years time, when the 32GB option will be available. Apple has little real innovation left, it makes its money by withholding features and putting in incremental improvements that forces its user base to upgrade machines constantly to keep up and end up spending more than they otherwise would.

      • I think you’re also missing something. Other vendors make computers for Windows to run on NOT MacOS. Take a look at the iPhone vs the Samsung for a second and watch the multitasking comparisons. Not all OSs are created equal and some require more memory than others.

        Case in point, I still use a MacBook Air with 8GB of memory and have quite comfortably recorded video on it, run virtualization software from it, edited movies, programed and had over 100 browser tabs open before simultaneously. While I’m sure it could be faster with more memory 8GB is actually going quite nice for me and one of my friends watching me work on it commented that he wished his old laptop was as fast as mine (and he has double the memory I do). Oh, and the external monitor I use with this is a 4K display too…

        Point is, at 8GB of RAM I’m seeing no reason to ditch this laptop. I’ll probably continue using it until it has a hardware failure at this rate. But if there’s anything I’m NOT concerned about it’s the max limit of 32GB of memory. MacOS has proven historically it’s very capably of doing a considerable about with a lot less.

      • AquaVelva

        What an idiotic assessment you provided. Apple is at the forefront of many technologies. SoC, storage, displays, operating system and ecosystem are all untouchable. The fact that you’re too stupid to see Apples innovation is your fault.

    • Jess

      How does it make sense to force someone who needed a laptop to suddenly buy a desktop, just because they needed the extra 16GB or RAM (many creative professionals, especially for 4K video editing)? Mobile and fixed desktop machines are totally different in terms of usability.

      • Uhm… have you ever tried editing 4K video on an iPad? I ask because it’s silky smooth and only has 4GB of memory (which is 1/8th of the memory in the macBook Pro)… I edit video regularly on this MacBook Air with 8GB of memory and have 0 issues with it as well. I don’t buy your claim that anyone NEEDS more than 32GB of RAM in a laptop.

      • Don Walker II

        How is 4GB 1/8th of 16GB? I think you mean 1/4th…

      • Haha, my bad. Thanks for pointing that out. I was seeing 32GB mentioned so much here that I divided it into that 😛 My mistake!

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    • Peo Haggstrom

      16GB is a huge problem for all of us musicians who are using Apple’s own ‘so called’ professional program Logic.

      Logic is giving you error messages all the time as soon as you start using RAM loaded samples.

      I had 32 in RAM in my Apple desktop 7 years ago. Here we are in 2016 and this was the BIG upgrade of their pro laptop line. And Logic is unusable for many of us with only 16gb of RAM.

      I can’t imagine Final Cut Pro or Photoshop working that well with 16gb either.

  • LeMerlot

    The missing RAM upgrade option is exactly the reason why I won’t buy the new MBP in its 1st version – that became clear for me after yesterday’s Apple presentation.

    I’ve always invested into the High End versions of the MBP in the last years – meaning in this new case an amount over 5.000 EUR (app. 5.500 USD) to spend as a German user. For this price tag the new MBP should be perfectly configurable for a Pro which it isn’t.

    So I’ll stay with my current MBR with already 16 GB RAM until the next MBP hardware version.

    • Mac pro trash can also no upgrade this year. Smh

    • AquaVelva

      Not sure how it’s missing if it was never there….

  • techfreak23

    I think it’s time Apple… time to let Jony go… this whole obsession with making everything thinner because of every little jump in power efficiency is getting in the way of making better products with better battery life and keeping certain ports alive. NO ONE is asking for thinner devices. Cut the crap already.

    • leart

      NO ONE is asking for thinner devices. Don’t be so much sure about that

      • techfreak23

        Please, tell me how shaving off 3mm and .5 a lb off of a laptop changes your life when you have to carry around that weight in adapters and dongles… or how shaving .2mm off the phones makes any difference whatsoever…

      • TJ

        techfreak23 I agree, Im still amazed at how thin my mid 2015 MBP is, I think losing all those ports for a thinner design is ludicrous.

      • IDK, 4 thunderbolt 3 ports is a major deal though… I’ll miss having at least 1 old USB port for the occasional times I need a thumb drive, but these days I do almost everything wirelessly anyways.

        One of the reasons I’m so excited though is that TB3 is crazy powerful. Enough so that you can now run desktop graphics cards to power external displays over them. Want the absolute latest desktop grade graphics for something? You can now. Want to plug in dozens of USB 3.0 devices into your laptop or really anything else? You can. The parallel data transfer and capabilities is unlike anything else out there. Personally this is one of the big pro features I’ve been holding out for to upgrade!

        So while I don’t have direct access to the old ports, knowing I’ve got so much more power now and can do things I’ve wanted to for a long time but haven’t been able to is well worth the trade for me. Plus if I’m honest I don’t use most of the ports unless I’m docked at my desk and in that case… I doesn’t effect me anyways.

      • TJ

        I understand what your saying but not everyone lives in the “wireless world like we do. It’s like Apple just ripped of a huge bandage

      • Yeah the biggest thing I think I’ll miss is the MagSafe 🙁 Fortunately though there are power to USB-C MagSafe like adapters on Amazon and elsewhere so I’ll probably just pick one of them up.

        I think the problem is that even if Apple said OK we’ll keep one USB 3.0 around for another year for compatibility sake. People would not only complain there isn’t enough USB 3.0 ports many wouldn’t bother to buy any adapters because why bother when you have the port right? At some point it had to happen and it was going to hurt. I think the big thing this time around is that all the change happened at once.

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      • Jess

        3mm? that’s a lot, for a 15mm thick machine. I think most would have preferred an 8 mm or less thick machine. Basically, the thinner and lighter the better. 2lbs and less is noticeable. Let the techheads decide what the trade-offs are, but 95% of users want the thinnest machine possible. ideally, a foldable piece of power. step-by-step for sure, guess we’ll fight Apple every step of the way. Dongles not used all the time, just charge it up for the main show. For all-day use some modular set up is fine. 12 inch macbook pro is great, just a bigger version but not thicker, foldable screen to 15 and 17″ screen

      • Interesting write up there! Here’s a few perspectives from another angle however if you’re interested.

        First of all I think selling computers without working to make them self serviceable isn’t that novel of a concept. Almost any other electronic that you get is a package. You buy a TV, stereo, VR headset, GPS, microwave, you name it; it’s a package. You buy it, enjoy the features it has and upgrade later when it breaks or a new model has a feature you decide you need. Why computers are the lone wolf here is a bit strange if you think about it. Most people don’t ever upgrade components on it anyways. If something breaks a year after getting it you replace it on warranty, several years after and now you’re left trying to figure out if it’s worth dumping hundreds in to upgrade the graphics when just a few more beyond that could get you a whole new setup with better specs across the board. Point is, I don’t think Apple is anti-hacker as much as trying to create products that “just work” (their words not mine) and when you look at everything else we buy it seems to make sense.

        Also, you mention apple dishing things out in steps. I don’t think this is really their choice. Like you said, if we buy a computer we can get up to 10 years out of it. Why does everyone seem to loose their mind and upgrade phones the day a new one comes out when there is nothing wrong with the old one then? Isn’t it really weird that people now have plans that let them actually upgrade 2x or more in a year so they can hop from flagship release to flagship release thought the year? I used my iPhone 2G for years and finally upgraded to the 4S and then to the 6+. But we as customers DEMAND that companies come out with products every 365 days. Along the way we compare them to other releases and complain that our phone is slipping behind and then when we get our release that was put together in less than 12 months we complain because its not the big jump that the original phones were that spent 6 years in development.

        Anyways, my point is I think that many of Apple’s decisions are based around the bizarre things we customers do. Would I like to see Apple maybe release a new phone every 2-3 years instead of every year? I actually think that might be more healthy and get us better features as they wouldn’t loose months and months every year working out manufacturing issues with the current tech. But they can’t, or people would riot in the streets that Apple is dead and has lost it’s ability to innovate etc. People that have to have something new every 6-12 months would switch and Apple would loose most of it’s customer base.

        Last thought is that an all in one device has a major issue. There’s a phrase out there that I think sums it up well. Jack of all trades, but a master of none. The problem is that the second you try to do everything on a single device you no longer do anything as well as if you specialized in that area. iOS specializes in bringing 100% of the apps and its OS to you in a finger friendly system, MacOS for a keyboard and mouse environment and TVOS for a remote controlled setup. The problem its that doing things on an all-in-one becomes incredibly difficult. You can’t get desktop level performance from a cellphone processor… So trying to attach peripherals to it will result in a sub par experience, an app might be optimized for touch but not for a remote so does it just give you a bad experience or does it vanish off your device when hooked up to a TV? The questions go on and on. Microsoft has chosen to be a jack of all trades and a master of none. Apple has tried to find some things that they can specialize in with the hope of doing each better than anyone else. It’s more expensive for consumers… but the experience is better too. All depends again on what the consumers are looking for. Considering Apple is the #1 seller of laptops, tablets, and phones I’d say that they are listening to their customers demands.

    • LeMerlot

      I’d guess finally it’s just about cost savings by keepin’ the price high – which results in higher revenue per device. IMHO making everything thinner is just their marketing argument for justifying this move.

    • Actually a lot of people want thinner and lighter devices (especially people who fly a lot and want to use them on airplanes). I myself got a MacBook Air simply because it was smaller and I knew I was going to be using it on the go a LOT. Every time I end up trying to hold my computer with one hand and type with the other I’m happy it’s small and light for that matter. So here is someone asking for thinner devices, please don’t assume to speak for me 😉

      MacOS is also VERY good at managing memory. I run a web server on this MacBook Air, several development applications, video capture and editing software, virtualization tools, and more. Heck right now I have 92 tabs open across my 3 browsers (if I counted that right) and all of this on 8GB of RAM with next to 0 performance issues or lag.

      Could my computer be faster with more? Yup. But “true” professionals (like the good folks rending and creating movies for Pixar) are going to be using desktops not laptops for their work. Laptops sacrifice power for mobility and Apple is really doing a solid job I feel on this front. This new laptop is more capable than ever before and can handle 99% of “professional” workflows out there. But for the ones it can’t there are still desktop units. And quite honestly, if you’re doing work that requires that sort of hardware… you probably should be using a desktop anyways…

      Why should Apple try to make a laptop compete with a desktop when a laptop by nature does what a desktop can’t do? Be portable. Each should play to their strengths (desktops being powerhouses and laptops being highly mobile) or really what’s the point of having both? Why not just make a beast of a laptop and quit the desktop industry altogether?

      • techfreak23

        Yes, I get that SOME people want smaller devices, but that’s why they came out with the Airs and the 12″ MacBook. MacBook Pros are a different ballgame, hence the name PRO.

        I do work in an Apple retail environment, so I hear a lot of what customers want and expect out of their machine. Also get a lot of professionals in the video (maybe not Pixar level), music, and photography field going for the 15″ Pros because of what they use them for and because of the need to be portable. Of course, many of them also have desktops in addition to their laptops, but they need similar power when they are on the go. These are the types of customers that don’t appreciate changes like the ones made.

        My point wasn’t that they should compete with desktops because that’s what desktops are for. My point was that they are just making devices thinner for the sake of making them thinner at the expense of functionality. I, for one and many others like me, don’t like the new keyboard mechanism that came out with the new MacBook and now this latest refresh of Pros because they are almost too sensitive and don’t have the same tactile feel as before. I haven’t tried the new keyboards on Pros, but hopefully they don’t feel exactly the same as on the MacBook. Apple created their own engineering problem by wanting to make a wafer thin device and came up with the crappy keyboard. I know that’s a personal opinion, but I know I am not the only one who feels that way. The good thing that came out of that problem was the new way of laying out the battery to make the best use of the space.

        Now those that upgrade to the new Pros will have to live in adapter land for awhile or upgrade all of their equipment. I get that Apple is trying to push everyone into the future with TB3/USB-C because that’s where the market is going, but there has to be a transition period for everyone to catch up. Apple should have skipped making it thinner and left the SD reader (which a lot of photographers are angry that it’s been removed) and two USB-A ports. Once people have gotten more USB-C peripherals and caught up, THEN make the change. Google didn’t just come out with the Pixel with ONLY USB-C ports, they had two and two. The 13″ Pro doesn’t even have fully functioning TB3 ports on the right side, so why bother having the four ports instead of two USB-A ports.

        Your last paragraph there is exactly why Apple won’t come out with a tablet/laptop hybrid, but that doesn’t mean that a laptop shouldn’t encroach a little on the desktop space in terms of power. Why do you think the gaming laptop business is doing as well as it is?

      • As someone who edits video periodically on a 8GB Ram 1.7GHz MacBook air I happen to know that you can in fact work quite nicely without needing “desktop specs”. In fact a few weekends ago, I was playing a video game, doing a Skype call and recording the screen without any lag or issues what-so-ever. The new MacPro’s are beasts compared to the laughable setup I have currently.

        That’s my point. I think that claiming this is a bad move because “the nebulous group out there known as professionals” aren’t getting enough specs is a bit odd. However you do raise some great points:

        I do agree with your comment about the keyboards. I also hope that the new keyboards are better than on the MacBooks! Oh, and since you work Apple retail feel free to let us know when they pull them out to show you 😉 I also agree that the laptops shouldn’t be made thin if it’s at the expense of features. The one area I do disagree on is that there is never a good time to remove a port from a user’s viewpoint. If this computer had kept the SD card reader so that people could have time to buy adapters we both know that no one would do it. You don’t buy an adapter so you can not use something, you buy it so that you can use something that won’t function without it. So if apple waited a year and then pulled it everyone would still be mad because no one would have bought an adapter unless the built in reader stopped working.

        Personally I’m bummed that they didn’t keep just one USB 3.0 port on there as SO much stuff still uses it. I can understand the technical reasons not to, but for sheer convenience sake I wish they would have. I also am going to miss the mag-safe charger too 🙁

        Oh and as far as gaming computer sales, those are doing well, but they are in a league of their own with a purpose of their own. My gaming computer is a ASUS G75-VW and it is a massive beast that some airports want to charge me extra to fly with because it doesn’t fit the dimensions of a carry on :/ The thing is, I didn’t get it to be portable. I got it because going somewhere to game is significantly easier with it, then carrying my desktop and peripherals from location to location. I don’t know many people with gaming laptops that try to use them on the go. Almost everyone I’ve ever met with one of these beasts likes it because they can grab it and bring it to a friends house or LAN party or what not significantly easier than a full desktop setup. But it’s not used the same as a MacBook, the massive power consumption from custom cooling setups, overclocked GPUs and high end processors prevent them from being a true on the go computer (unless you only wanted to be away from an outlet for a few hours tops that is).

      • fee

        what happened to this shtick? you’re a walking/typing contradiction sir

        But “true” professionals (like the good folks rending and creating movies for Pixar) are going to be using desktops not laptops for their work

      • Hey fee, I’m not sure what I said that was contradictory but if you want to actually provide examples I’d be happy to clarify.

        If you’re wanting me to clarify that statement you quoted, it’s simply this. There are a lot of “Creator” jobs that are considered professional… Image editing, graphic design, youTube content creators, programming, etc. But the vast majority of these people (myself included) don’t need nearly the specs that people are complaining about not having. I can do (and do on a daily basis) programming, graphic design, image editing and video editing on my macs. And I have a 10 year old iMac and a 4 year old MacBook Air.

        My comment about “true” professionals needing more power like the folks at Pixar was that they aren’t going to be using laptops for their render farms. A desktop with much more powerful components that aren’t locked to lower power consumption like laptop chipsets are going to be the things that drive these professional industries.

        Could laptops use more memory? Sure. I’d be all for that. The entire point was that people were complaining like this was the worst decision Apple ever made. My point was simply that this was hyperbole and have asked for people to back their claims that this direction would prevent professionals from using Apple hardware with proof. The only jobs I was given as examples can either be done quite easily on laptops with their current specs or would be best served on desktops.


      • fee

        No you cited a single example of a single persons workflow. This dialogue clearly isn’t worth it, but you act like theres a single tier of “low level content creators who can work on ten year old machines” and “Pixar level “””true professionals”””. all of those except Video editing would be sufficient for many, not sure about “the majority” like you said, but for video editing, yes, I’d go as far as saying a majority of content creators using mac’s or who want to use mac’s directly benefit from the increased specs. You can’t tell me if video production was your main workflow you can’t see that the limitations could easily become a pain point, much less that you’d be satisfied with your 10 year old machine as your workhorse.

      • I think you’ve missed the point of everything I’ve been saying up to this point. I’m saying the term “true professional” is not a valid term. I run my own business off of a MacBook Air. I do programming, design and video primarily from it. Am I not a “professional” since I can get by with laptop specs?

        Apple’s software excels at needing less hardware to run tasks than Windows does. And while memory is important, it’s not as important as some people in this thread were making it out to be. In video rendering as you mentioned memory will make almost no perceivable difference after 4-8GB (at least for the majority of scenarios), but what does make a difference is processor power and hard drive speed.

        Finally people that talk about “the pros” typically are referring to unnamable jobs that can’t possibly function without state of the art hardware. In which case why on earth are they using underpowered mobile class hardware? If Pros really need so much horsepower, they should go desktop. And there are so few jobs in this category that come to mind that Pixar is the example I continue to use.

        But my question in the beginning was “I thought” simple. Show me the scenario where a person can’t function on these specs today and has to have a laptop that offers them and we can talk. NO ONE has done this yet and the simple reason is you can’t. People that use Macs have been using them before this laptop came out and been able to function right? And this laptop is more powerful than what they were using. (Unless of course you’re arguing that no professional has even been able to survive in the Mac world to this day and they would just love to come over if the hardware was strong enough?)

      • Jeff Pang

        Basically JohnS meant all that most people need and want are just excel spreadsheets and word document lol

      • YaBoyLilMayo

        No they don’t and shaving off 3mm isn’t gonna make anyone’s life any easier bruh just give up

      • Actually it turns out that out of all laptops sold, 40% of them are considered ultrabooks. This means out of every 5 customers, 2 willingly gave up features of bulkier laptops in favor of laptops that shaved off some extra volume. Or put another way, over 120 million people would disagree with you enough to pay extra for thinness.

      • fee

        I’m pretty sure JohnS is a parody account, he has to be right?

      • Nope, 100% serious 🙂

      • John Tainer

        I fly alot and would prefer a thicker 15 in with 32mB of memory so it was a Pro rather than an Air – could one design be for people who want performance?

      • I’d probably wait until later this year, at least by then Apple should have access to Intel’s latest chips and hopefully they will be able to up the amount of memory 🙂

        But unless you’re doing some seriously intense work on airplanes what do you need 32GB for (if you don’t mind my asking)? I have a MacBook Air with 8 GB and I do graphic design, programming, screen recording, video editing, etc on here and have yet to run into memory issues… I mean a few times I’ve thought that it would be nice if it was a bit faster (like when rendering a video) but for the most part I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how capable it is.

      • John Tainer

        Memery is limiting to effective speed in my experinece far more than anything else. Why would I or anyone spend $4000 for a new laptop with the same memory as the one I bought >3 years ago. I do biophysics on macromolecular structures of large complexes acting in cancer. I use my laptop to drive large screens in my office and at home that typically have multiple open processes. On planes I have time to do hours of work in a stretch, so I run molecular graphics sessions on different large 3-D structures (multiple PyMol sessions for molecular modeling and different graphis for fitting structures) to electron density while using word for writing and software for illustrations with molecular dyanmics simulations to test ideas. I make videos to better see changes in conformations and visualize 3-D features. In this way when I see something in a protein structure, I can wrte about it, test it, and make an illustration or video. Also in going from my office, I don’t want to have to close ongoing processes and reopen windows or restart sessions because I get onto a plane as I’ll want them when I get off. I’d rather work effectively for 4-5 hours than spend 8-10 hours of a flight waiting for each step to finish.

      • That sounds pretty cool! I’m not familiar with that software so I don’t know how much memory it requires to run. You could check the system profile and see how often you max out your memory. If you’re always running at max and having to page out memory to the HD then memory could make a huge difference as the less often you have to do that the faster the whole system feels.

        I don’t know the specs for that software, but if its similar to specs for other 3D modeling and rendering apps it would likely be more of a Graphics card and processor hog. But either way, a next gen should have better stats across the board 🙂

      • Jeff Pang

        I just got the new 13″ Macbook Pro. I love it because of it’s portability and power however I am bummed that the max ram is only 16GB. I use parallels to run both Windows and MacOS side by side and occasionally fire up the Linux VM. Additional RAM would be good because it would allow me to allocate more the current 4GB ram to each Guest OS

      • jackmon

        I’d say it’s more about future proofing. I would at least like to be *able* to upgrade the memory down the road. I recently upgraded my 2009 MBP to 8GB. I’m sure 8GB would have seemed outlandish to me in 2009. But now it seems insufficient. With the new MBP I can’t upgrade at all. I’m just out of luck.

      • David Thorp

        I don’t get why people complain about not being able to upgrade Macs. you CAN upgrade a Mac. Macs hold their value. Sell your current one on eBay for 70% of what you paid for it a year ago and then buy the new one. For 30% of the price of the whole thing you’ve upgraded EVERYTHING to latest tech.

        I get the latest and greatest every time anything new is released. I sell what I bought last year, for not much less than I paid for it, and buy from the refurbished store the newest stuff about 4 months after it’s released new. I spend less than say $800 per year to get the latest and greatest all the time. I never upgrade anything. Now I’m a pro user and I’d never survive on something that’s 8 years old like what you have but let’s look at your case…

        You’re quite happy not having the latest and greatest. Your current 2009 machine is now 8 years old. Sure, back then things were upgradeable. Things aren’t now, so now you’re worried you can’t buy something now that you can upgrade. But you can…

        I think it’s safe to assume next year’s MBP’s have 32GB options, if not later this year as rumors are predicting. So you get a 2017 MBP today, with 16GB RAM in it, understanding that that’s enough for today, but not enough for say 2024 — 7 years from now. So in 2024 you want to upgrade it to 32GB.

        So sell your mid 2017, 16GB one on eBay and buy a late 2017 32GB one. How much do you think the price difference is going to be between those two models in 2024? I propose that the difference you’ll pay to sell and then buy won’t be any more than the price you’d pay if you could upgrade the RAM.

        And the fact is, I’d be willing to wager you need to upgrade more than just your RAM. Say you get the 512GB SSD model today. That’s not going to be enough for whatever you’re doing in 2024. So you’ll need to upgrade that too – at some point. (If you tell me you haven’t upgraded your internal HD in 8 years, I’ll have a hard time believing that).

        So again… yeah… i don’t get it.

      • jackmon

        Yes, at some time upgrading memory won’t be enough and I’ll have to buy a whole new computer. But on a ‘pro’ machine bought in 2017 I would expect to be able to have > 16GB or at least to be able to upgrade to more down the line. I can’t. That’s disappointing.

      • David Thorp

        Yeah… but you’re still not getting it. You say you want to upgrade, and your concept of upgrading is this process of buying more components and installing them. Ok, that’s fine. That’s *one way* to upgrade a computer. But another way to upgrade a computer is to sell it and buy a better one. So there’s two different ways to upgrade. Both are legitimate. And neither costs significantly more than the other.

        If you want the newest components every year then it’s more expensive both ways. If you’re happy with older equipment, then it’s less expensive both ways.

        So if you’re the sort of person who is happy using an 8 year old computer then you don’t need to spend $800 per year maintaining the latest and greatest (or $800 per year maintaining 8 year old stuff). Every year, sell your 8 year old computer and buy a 7 year old one and you’ll pay significantly less than $100 difference. Do that every year and in 8 years you’re down maybe $500 total.

        For most people, buying and selling on eBay is no greater hassle, or time investment, than buying components and self installing them yourself. eBay is a very easy process. And Apple’s Migration Assistant and the software systems they have in place for transferring everything from one Mac to another are brain dead straight forward.

        So my point is that process is a perfectly legitimate method of upgrading and for everyone to complain that you can’t upgrade a Mac is inaccurate. It’s just a different process.

        Do you mind if I ask which specific Mac your 2009 mac is, and its specs (including what the RAM was before you upgraded it)? I’d be interested to do some math on its value.

      • jackmon

        I think it’s Mid 2009 13″ MBPro. What I’m saying though is that I really don’t want to go to the trouble of migration/ebay. It may not be a big deal to you, but it’s just not something I want to get into. How do you know for instance how your 7 year old ebay computer has been treated? Even if the owner is super neat, I don’t want 7 years worth of their skin flakes, germs, sweat, and who knows what else on my keyboard.

        But this is all besides the point. My main complaint here is simply that I feel that the current offering of 16GB is too low for a non-upgradeable machine premiering in 2017. If you’re happy upgrading through ebay, then perhaps my critique is less important to you.

  • Rejkelie

    For those who commented that you don’t need more than 16GB RAM. I work in R&D and I’m a heavy user of various mathematical modelling systems. One thing they all have in common is a need for memory. For me I wouldn’t have minded if they had to even increase the size of the 15″ MBP to get good enough thermal design to cater for, say, 128GB RAM. I don’t pesonally care about battery life as long is it more than ~4-5 hours to get me between airports.

    I just fail to see how battery life and “thiness” can be the most important driving forces in a professional targeted laptop, speed , memory and connections should be. Given that the write off time is around 3 years in most companies means that Apple implies that 16GB will be good enough until 2020 … ridiculous. I believe most professionals will wait for next years (or the year after that) spin of the HW which hopefully corrects this.

    • AquaVelva

      “I don’t pesonally care about battery life as long is it more than ~4-5 hours to get me between airports”

      Obviously the MBP is not designed for people like you in mind who want to carry around a desktop in a laptop with 4 hours of battery life….and it NEVER WAS.

      • mrgerbik

        WHY NOT?

  • Felipe Queiroz Drumond

    What about the swap of memory between SSD and RAM? I’m not sure if MacOS manages the lack of memory like Windows does. If the PCI-e SSD is fast enough, the swap would help to diminish this issue. Anyway, I was really expecting 32GB memory option, specially because a MBP can last years and years and memory is very cheap nowadays.

  • Charles222

    Given that nothing I own has over 8GB and it all works perfectly fine, yah.

  • therealjjohnson

    I hate how you guys have a mythical description of what “professional” is. I keep hearing that they are leaving out the “professionals” etc … yet people are still using these devices to do their work. Still editing movies, documentaries, recording music, photoshopping away etc. Who are the “professionals” that apple is now not focusing on? All I ever hear is some obscure reference of “what if they wanted to do this” scenario.

    Buy something else if you need something else.

  • jennyzeroo

    A lot, well SOME, people actually need more than 16 GB of memory to do video editing and such. it’s extreme, BUT … ITS ….. A ….. PRO ……MODEL!!!!! so it SHOULD be an option if some PRO people NEED it.

    The battery power is the USUAL lame Apple excuse. You would save even MORE power with a limit of 8 GB of memory, but we don’t DO we.

  • Stan

    I doubt that Apple can give a good explanation for not giving the option for 32GB RAM. Because there is none. The real reason is probably to leave some room for improvement for next year’s “upgrade”.

    • Matt Musser

      i think the next gen cpu is not ready…so they think putting a fun bar on it will sell it.
      they need a 32g solution for pro developers and video graphic artists and musicians and people who dont close chrome windows and run multiple big ass monitors. thats me….. i am straining my 16G mb pro constantly so i had to get a mac pro with 24g….now i can work but want portability

  • mike480

    I don’t get why Windows computers that use skylake can get away with 32GB of RAM but the MBP can’t. Was so disappointed because I use Parallels to run 2 VM’s and I need the memory.

  • Bacillus

    Schiller easily avoids the real story, about trade-offs they made because of their Intel partnership and Ive’s design authocracy.
    Whereas competitors have better, faster and more energy-sensible RAM architectures (yes, adding 1/2″ thickness) making Apple look pale.
    These guys now mainly live by their platitudes – just as elementary stupid as sad.