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Tesla CEO Elon Musk threw some serious shade at Apple and its rumored car project in a recent interview with German newspaper Handelsblatt. Business Insider shares the comments, in which Musk calls Apple a “graveyard” for Tesla employees who can’t hack it.

When asked about reports that Apple has hired away important Tesla engineers, Musk replied: “Important engineers? They’ve hired people we’ve fired. We jokingly call Apple the “Tesla Graveyard.” If you don’t make it at Tesla, you go work at Apple. I’m not kidding.”

When asked if he takes Apple’s [car] ambitions seriously, he responded: “Did you ever take a look at the Apple Watch? (laughs) No, seriously: It’s good that Apple is moving and investing in this direction. But cars are very complex compared to phones or smartwatches. You can’t just go to a supplier like Foxconn and say: Build me a car.”

Given that Apple is widely believed to be moving in on Tesla’s territory, it’s easy to see why Musk would be defensive. But his comments strike a similar chord to those made by former Palm CEO Ed Colligan, who famously said Apple wasn’t going to “walk into” the phone business.

Earlier this year, Mr. Musk told Bloomberg that Tesla is poaching 5:1 more employees from Apple than vice versa, despite the fact that Apple has offered signing bonuses of up to$250,000 and 60% salary raises. It’s believed Apple is aiming to put its car on the road by 2020.

Source: Handelsblatt via BI

  • Jad Boukai

    Don’t know what to be more concerned with, the fact that he threw shade (wouldn’t really know, didn’t read) or the fact that an article used the phrase “throws shade” in the title…

    Oh society, thou arest a bitch

    • Merman123

      Ever heard of a blog? Lol

    • Jamessmooth

      Yeah that kind of threw me too lol.

  • tariq

    Apple doesn’t even build their phones, all their parts are from Samsung and Sony and probably other ones I don’t know. I feel like if they going to build a car, they’ll have lasts coming from GMC, Toyota, Tesla and BMW sending them parts or any other variation of destinations. Going from electronics to cars is a big step for Apple, but if they want to try, I’ll be excited to see the results! Might even be a flying car? Hopefully lol

    • Maxim∑

      The engine of a car is made by the OEM, the tires,windows,electronic systems,mirrors etc… are most of the time made by others. I don’t see your point?

      Apple is no longer using Sony Exymor they’ve moved to a custom camera. 1 or 2 components are from Samsung now everything else has been moved to other manufacturers.

    • Mark S

      Flying car???? Many people can barely operate a street driven car without wrecking into someone else. Could you imagine all the deaths caused by this new breed of pilots?

    • Rowan09

      Dude. Do you think BMW makes brakes, rotors, pistons, etc? The simple answer is no they do not.

    • japplemusik

      A flying car? Sort of like a plane?

    • Someone

      You gotta be kidding me if you actually think all those car brands you mentioned made their own parts. They all have their own suppliers that they go to. Airbags, windows, tires,etc…

      • smtp25

        e.g. Airbags takata’s in 34 million cars that are prone to exploding

    • Just about every single manufacture in the world does this. Whether it is a display to a battery, to ic’s or chips, fuses, plastics and metals and the cover glass. No company makes their entire device from their own parts.

  • Chris

    It’s hard to take sides because I admire both Elon Musk and Steve jobs but have an iPhone Apple Watch and iPad but can’t afford a tesla even tho I would love one.

    • smtp25

      Its werid to me them saying that. Considering Tesla were given away so many design secrets around electric engines and batteries to do help other compaines get in to EV’s

  • Maxim∑

    Tesla is commenting quiet harshly on something not even close to being ready. I guess he views Apple as a threat, kind of interesting since hes hired so many Apple employees.

    Trashing your former employees, attacking several products and claiming Apple just “asks” Foxconn to build the iPhone is pretty unprofessional.

    He WILL be quoted in ~2019, and if Apple is really working with BMW then those comment will backfire even more. Can’t discredit the Germans Elon

    • Niclas

      Volkswagen anyone?

      • omakad

        As a VW owner I was kind of disappointed in VW and then I heard on MB Weekly that BMW, Mercedes, Mazda and Ford have been caught doing the same thing with Ford leading the pack with the most dirty emissions about 6 times that of VW. It turns out VW still has the cleanest engines from the bunch. This doesn’t make it ok for any of them but I’m not sure why is VW taking all the heat. I wonder how many more will get cought.

      • Niclas

        I don’t believe that everyone else is 100% clean but the other cars that the specific american test group tested, passed.
        It might be that Volkswagen are just the first one to fall.

        PS. I happen to have a Ford :S

      • omakad

        Also this is only for diesels. I think very small percentage of US consumer cars are diesels. I think this is mostly euro issue. I could be wrong.

      • Niclas

        The cars tested was all disels.

      • M_thoroughbred

        They are the ones who got caught lol.

    • omakad

      I’m very surprised by these comments for couple of reasons. Musk encourages others to make electric cars. They think it’s healthy for competition and they give all their patents to others for free. Also he’s been known to say good things about Apple and direction they are moving in. I’m thinking that he may have been misquoted, taken out of the context or poorly translated. It’s just doesn’t make sense. Musk is a visionary and I find it hard to believe that he would have such simpleton comments on the matter.

  • Eikast

    Did anyone expect a different reaction? His company Tesla is publicly traded.

    • Umut Bilgiç

      Exactly, he can not go ahead and say “Yeah, Apple will be better than us” lol down goes the stocks after such comment

    • True, but I have a feeling he’ll eat those words in the future, just like Microsoft in the SmartPhone department, Apple in the Phablet/Tablet department…

      • Jamessmooth

        What does the toaster mean? It was on the Microsoft presentation the other day and I was very confused!

      • I believe the refrigerator toaster was a comment Tim Cook made in relation to the Microsoft Surface yet Apple now makes a similar device in the form of the iPad Pro. At the time Time Cook said “Just because you can do it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea” (or something along those lines).

      • Jamessmooth

        Thanks! I vaguely remember this. I kind of like refrigerator toasters 🙂

      • M_thoroughbred

        The iPad pro is not similar to the Surface in any way. The only thing similar about them 2 is that they share the word PRO in their name.

      • Really?

        Let’s think about it a bit:

        Similarities

        * They both share the name “Pro”
        * They are both targeted at professionals
        * They both have a stylus / pen
        * They both have a keyboard

        Differences

        * They have different hardware
        * The OS is different on both devices

        If you don’t think the iPad Pro is in response to the Microsoft Surface devices then you’re being naive.

      • Aidan Harris is 100% correct. Just a meh 2 years ago in 2013, Tim Cook was insulting the 2-in-1 competition as confused (bit. ly/1CCEiGY); turning tablets into laptops and laptops in tablets. Now they’ve already eaten those words and created a half-assed 2-in-1, the toyPad Pro, while still under Tim Cook.

      • Alberto Espinal

        You really are a hater, I recently bought a Surface Pro and I have a MacBook Pro but you have so much hate for Apple, I always wonder what’s your purpose here? Just hate?

      • Gush, why so butthurt? Can’t afford to hear the truth, tough luck for you, I ain’t bending-over for no company and holding back criticism/praise just ’cause of branding. Got any constructive criticism of why my statements are incorrect, do share, but responding with the useless “you’re a hater” just paints you as a butthurt shill…

        I’ve owned jailbroken iPhones for 5+ years. Does that stop me from pointing out flaws where I see them, no.

      • Alberto Espinal

        The butthurt is you cause every time someone says anything against Microsoft or your beloved Android devices you come out from your hole to defend it, if you didn’t know this is call IDB so you expect everyone to agree with you? I told you once you are swimming against the current here, but you wanna insist! Knock your head off!

      • mrgerbik

        But yet you expect everyone to defend Apple?
        Don’t be a hypocrite

      • Make any false/mindless-hater claims with no conventional logic to back-it, yes I’d point out your BS claim and link to the red-pill, always up to you to take it or remain a mindless-hater. Only a butthurt iSheep would perceive that as being a fan of one brand or another, or being paid by one brand or another…anyone with half-a-brain would easily verify what I link to, if right they agree, if wrong they give me rational logic of why and I learn.

        Same thing happens with MicroSheeps on Windows Central, or DroidSheeps/iSheeps on Phonearena, etc…each platform has their herd of mindless-haters…learn to think for yourself and quit following the herd.

      • Lol

      • 2TurntAlien

        Definitely not no ones gonna buy a ugly wack a$$ apple car just like no one wants an apple watch, it’s gonna be an over priced smart car that won’t sell because apple isn’t a car company and they don’t know the first thing about making an engine that can correctly distribute engine power to tires

    • Mark S

      The first rule of marketing is not to provide free advertising to your competitors by bashing them in your ad/comments. He should be pushing his brand instead of acting like a cornered animal.

      • Mr.Coolfreak

        I don’t think any of us are qualified to tell Elon Musk how to market his products

  • askep3

    This is sort of off topic, but I feel that the Apple Watch doesn’t count as a device that “failed” just because lots of people didn’t buy it.
    1. It’s a new idea and concept, people don’t understand what it’s for yet, everyone wants it to be a phone on your wrist, which is wrong.
    2. It’s meant as an accessory, not a necessity, a smartphone is all but a necessity nowadays, whole smart watches are a luxury and convenience.

    I just think that when people say that the Apple Watch was a flop just because it didn’t get huge sales like the iPhones, (and apple didn’t publish their sales) they are wrong, again, every iPhone owner isn’t supposed to have one, it’s a convenience and luxury. If you compare watch sales to iPhone it is a fail, but if you compare the sales to other smart watches it’s an obvious success.

    • George

      It’s not smart enough to be called a smart watch. No smart watch in market does anything useful. Do not release a product just because you have to.

      • askep3

        “Smart” is an opinion, if the apple arch isn’t smart enough for you, then it isn’t for you, just as if you don’t like an iPhone then you don’t buy an iPhone, of course taste can be developed, but idk, to each his own.

      • George

        How is it just my opinion? If the watch itself can’t do much without being tethered with the phone there is nothing smart about it. And I didn’t talk shit about the iPhone. I called all smart watches crap.

      • Sharkey311

        It can do quite a lot untethered to a phone. Do some easy research on the topic before you start spewing garbage

      • George

        Lmao, okay apple defense squad.

      • Sharkey311

        Anytime, brah

      • askep3

        What’s “much”? That’s an opinion, if all I want are notifications the Apple Watch is more than perfect. If you wanted it to do a lot without being tethered you might as

      • Steven Honey

        You watch it and it can do more than the traditional watch, so… Yep, it’s a smart watch.

      • Dan

        LG actually came up with a watch that has it’s own sim card and works independently from a phone. Imo, that’s a true smart watch, still too expensive for me though since I don’t really need one.

      • askep3

        No that’s a small phone on your wrist.

      • Dan

        What do you call a smartwatch then if not a tiny computer than run apps (a smartphone).

      • askep3

        Something that tells you the time and maybe something more, like notifications, if it’s gonna be the same thing as a phone (SIM card and oow tryl professor) what’s the point?

      • Micrones

        Exactly and that was what Apple did , because wearables is the new product category, Apple had to jump on board as well instead of focusing on a new category.

      • Someone

        It is a smart watch. Have you even seen the full potential of what the watch can do? I can unlock my house, open my garage, turn on the lights, control the TV, remote start my car, check news, play games, send messages, check vital information/notifications, have siri identify the song thats playing, know where you are and how to get to a destination, and so much more.

      • George

        Oh so you do all of that?

    • John

      Well from an economic view, it definetly failed.

      From my perspective, it also failed.

      • Sharkey311

        And your mom failed when she gave birth to you.

      • Micrones

        I second that opinion, Yes it FAILED……. up till now, no data on amount shipped but Apple was quick to tell us that Iphone 6S shipped 14 million units 2 weeks ago………

      • askep3

        Did you expect the Apple Watch sales to match iPhone sales? Because I don’t think every iPhone user is meant to have an Apple Watch, it’s a luxury and convenience.
        If someone is planning to by something, they shouldn’t look at the sales to consider buying it, if you do that then your primary motive to buy something is because other people buy it, isn’t it?

      • askep3

        Wouldn’t it only be a fail if they lost money on it? *cough cough galaxy s.

      • John

        Lol, well it’s not as good as the iphone…

      • askep3

        Again that’s an opinion, but yeah I agree with you haha

      • John

        🙂

    • Micrones

      Apple did not publish the sales for Applewatch because it was a flop, take it or leave it.
      Apple was quick to tell us that 14 million iphone 6s shipped two weeks ago but up till now, no one knows how much Apple watch sold because the sales was not impressive.
      Like i mentioned awhile ago, Apple will only publish any news as long as it is favourable.
      Making a car is not the same as making a phone and besides this will not ship in the millions like a phone, Even though it might create a new revenue stream for apple, it will not be a roaring success as it is.
      As evidenced by Microsoft lately, the era of Apple dominance in product quality and innovation is gradually coming to an end.

      • Anonymous

        Apple frim the begining said the apple watch sale would be rolled up into “other” sells. They never intended on repoting the sales on apple watch. And that was propally due to the fact that it wouldnt be a bread winner. I agree with some of the post above the apple watch is an accessory such as like the beats headphones and speakers.

      • Micrones

        That is not true. refer to any source please…
        Apple never stated that from the beginning and beginning would mean at product launch which will seem odd.
        Apple made that statement of rolling the report into one during their last sales reporting and that was after the fact.

      • askep3

        Exactly, it’s an accessory, not a primary device.

    • Someone

      Why do people think the device didn’t sold well? Base on past records of newly introduced products, it sold more than when the iPad, iPod, and iPhone was introduced.

      • askep3

        People just can’t look at the big picture

  • moofer

    Has he seen how many of his $100k miracle sleds are in the Apple parking lot?

  • John

    I don’t understand why big companies always are so rude to others, it’s called an intimidation tactic and it makes you look bad

    • Micrones

      That is called competition and business….. Its not about making friends

      • John

        When you have a bussiness, you want to make friends, you also want a reputation. Otherwise people will have a biased feel towards you . Just look at samsung targeting apple . so sad

  • :D

    This is outrageous! I used to work with Tesla but quit to work with Apple…
    I can’t say much, but we’re working on flying cars that drive themselves at light-speed.

  • Matheus Lisboa

    The shade of it all

  • Dan

    This made me think of

  • Franklin Richards

    Shhh… Musk shhh… you’re worries are showing.

  • Benedict

    Finally the first person who understands that the Apple Watch is just a rectangle with rounded edges and the most primitive design ever.

  • mrgerbik

    base model apple car : $50,000+