iPhone 5s motherboard (A7 chip, iFixIt 001)

Nobody reviews hardware more exhaustively than chip gurus over at AnanadTech – for these guys, no detail is too small and nothing escapes their scrutiny. When the publication set out to review the Galaxy Note 3, it shamed Samsung by spotting some tweaked code which artificially inflates the device’s scores on popular benchmarks by anywhere between twenty to fifty percent.

Not only did it provoke a reaction from Apple’s marketing head honcho Phil Schiller, the discovery has prompted AnandTech to really scrutinize other device makers. Shockingly enough, turns out most Android OEMs pad their results by increasing CPU/GPU clock speed during benchmarking to make them look good.

So, who are the cheaters? Almost everyone, except Apple and Motorola. Samsung, HTC, Asus, LG and many others are all dirty and guilty of gaming the benchmarks.

If that’s not the biggest wake-up call the benchmarking industry has ever seen, I don’t know what is. I myself feel dirty even blogging about this, but the numbers don’t lie and that’s the sad state of things. Just who are the cheaters? Go past the break for the full disclosure…

Mostly every Android smartphone OEM cheats by using performance-enhancing code that overclocks the CPU/GPU and raises the chip voltage to its highest state when a popular benchmark is detected, AnandTech has discovered in its extensive analysis.

This involves LG, Asus, HTC and other big name gadget makers, with the exception of Google/Motorola and Apple. Notably, the iPhone maker has never faked benchmark scores, AnandTech noted.

The hilarious part: these nonsensical performance “enhancements” yield modest five to ten percent speed gains, which hardly absolves the cheaters from wrongdoing.

“I can’t stress enough that it would be far less painful for the OEMs to just stop this nonsense and instead demand better performance/power efficiency from their silicon vendors,” wrote authors Anand Lal Shimpi and Brian Klug.

AnandTech rightfully calls the issue a “systemic problem,” a pandemic among Android licensees that won’t go away simply because it’s not what hardware vendors want.

We started piecing this data together back in July, and even had conversations with both silicon vendors and OEMs about getting it to stop.

With the exception of Apple and Motorola, literally every single OEM we’ve worked with ships (or has shipped) at least one device that runs this silly CPU optimization.

It’s possible that older Motorola devices might’ve done the same thing, but none of the newer devices we have on hand exhibited the behavior.

The table below says it all (‘Y’ is for Yes, ‘N’ stands for No).

android-benchmarks-cheaters

The publication doubts much can be done to rectify the situation because beefing up the benchmark scores runs rampant at virtually every major Android OEM licensee.

Virtually all Android vendors appear to keep their own lists of [benchmarking] applications that matter and need optimizing. The lists grow/change over time, and they don’t all overlap.

With these types of situations it’s almost impossible to get any one vendor to be the first to stop. The only hope resides in those who don’t partake today, and of course with the rest of the ecosystem.

As for Samsung, the company has an established history of messing with benchmarks.

Back in July, AnandTech caught Samsung cheating using the performance-enhancing code to fudge benchmarks for the then-new Galaxy S4 smartphone. Though it’s been shamed twice, the South Korean chaebol now has the nerve to announce its own benchmarking efforts.

Like anyone would believe the scores produced by such a targeted benchmark. I’m sorry if all of this sounds harsh, but AnandTech’s findings really got me enraged and I refuse to accept them as a fact of life.

iPhone 5s promo (A7 chip closeup 002)

This isn’t about the if-Apple-had-done-this at all.

It’s about the bulk of buyers who base their purchasing decision in part on benchmark scores. With that in mind, no one in their right mind would condone – and I certainly don’t feel good about it – big name corporations shamelessly taking advantage of customers by misrepresenting device capabilities.

Has our industry really come to this?

And who’s to blame?

AnandTech’s discovery is nothing if not an appalling admission of dirty tactics Android manufacturers resort to in absence of real innovation.

The irony?

If ordinary users had any say, it should never be about the speeds and feeds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM3fNGMtAns

Before signing off, let me get something else off my chest.

Everyone and their brother think they’re entitled to bash Apple these days – from the defensive Samsung suggesting that Touch ID is a fad to chip maker Qualcomm’s silly statement that the 64-bit A7 chip is but “a marketing gimmick” (of course it’s not).

At the same time, Qualcomm – an Apple supplier and partner – goes all out promising to bring out its own 64-bit mobile processor at some point in the future, because “the OS guys will want it”.

It seems to me that jelly competitors just can’t keep their mouth shut.

Restrained tech media certainly isn’t helping by politely giving haters a lip service and spewing Apple doomsday scenarios when the company is at the top of its game. Last time I checked, only Apple thus far has managed to deliver the world’s first 64-bit mobile chip.

Apple September 2013 event (iPhone 5s, 64-bit slide 002)

And only Apple has the world’s first 64-bit mobile operating system with the kernel, libraries, APIs and frameworks fully-optimized for 64-bit computing – and the company is now accepting 64-bit submissions from its registered developers .

Apple’s doing all of that without resorting to the murky benchmark-gaming tactics. And Apple doesn’t lie to its customers about the benchmark scores of iOS devices like most Android backers do.

The full report is well-worth reading: you’ll never look at benchmarks the same again.

So, what do you think and where do you stand on this issue?

  • TesticularFortitude

    I told people the spec race is a race to the bottom. They responded with I’m just saying that because other vendors have superior specs to Apple.

    Not that it matters, but Apple’s dual core is a beast and handily mops the floor with quad cores(with better specs).

    And given Apple’s touch input prowess, I don’t see anyone catching up soon.

    Samsung is the Lance Armstrong of smartphones.

    Not only do they cheat benchmarks, they also fake reviews. Wow!

    • ✪ aidan harris ✪

      Apple controls their own hardware, software and services everything is optimised as much as possible. They don’t just take an OS made by Google make some minute changes to make it look better in benchmarks, place their own UI over the top and expect everything else to work perfectly. This is what makes iOS so great. Even with only a dual core processor due to how tightly controlled iOS is Apples devices end up nine times out of ten humiliating the competition.

      • dialogueanalog

        Samsung is like having a ferrari engine in a lada body and a peugeot support system. will make lots of noise but will not work properly.

        Apple is like an Audi R8. Everything made to suit the car bottom up.

      • Ishaan Malhotra

        No..i like to compare my iphone to a ferrari..with no borrowed parts:p

      • Carlos Franklin

        Except the ones borrowed from Samsung that DO reside inside you iphone. I asume you didn’t know that…..lol

      • jp2002

        Not borrowed. LOL. There is a difference between manufacturing and design. Foxconn manufactures 60% of all electronics. So does that, make them the best electronics company? Your comment absolutely makes non sense at all.

      • Carlos Franklin

        Ok not borrowed….lol.
        It does make sense as many here just keep bashing a company who’s manufactured chip-sets are being used in most electronics that we have today. Now this doesn’t make it the best but it doesn’t make it the worst either, Does it?

        Competition is good!

      • dialogueanalog

        or that

    • “Samsung is the Lance Armstrong of smartphones.”

      That’s epic. You won the internet today, tomorrow and probably the entire year.

  • Jonathan

    I want to personally slap each one, except Apple and Motorola.

    • chumawumba

      I will slap Motorola for the price of the Moto X for what its worth.

      • Jonathan

        Be my guest.

      • Guest

        And by that you mean $100 cheaper than a 32GB iPhone 5S? (I’m referring to the developer edition of the Moto X)

      • chumawumba

        Not everyone is a developer and can pay unsubsidized price.

      • Guest

        I was speaking as both phones being unsubsidized. You said ‘the price of the Moto X for what it’s worth’, well, it’s $100 cheaper (with 32GB storage) and with nearly stock Android you can truthfully do a lot more software-wise than you can do on stock iOS.

      • chumawumba

        i didn’t think about that. Good point.

      • Guest

        Thanks. I’m definitely not trying to say the iPhone is a slouch, though. Both phones and operating systems have their strong points.

      • What? It’s made in the USA!

  • CPVideoMaker101

    Dammit samsung, not again. *bitch slap*

    • ✪ aidan harris ✪

      They’re probably high-fiving each other in the office right now. Samsung just wants attention whether it’s good attention or bad attention it brings them centre stage as the main focus (essentially free advertisement).

      • CPVideoMaker101

        Still, they are cheating the every day consumer. That’s sad

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        They’ve always done that though. For example when they advertise 16GB devices as 16GB when really because Android is the biggest load of crapware there is you’re lucky in you get eight or nine gigabytes of space. Consumers just tend to look the other way and pretend that none of this is happening…

      • CPVideoMaker101

        it’s not android, it’s touchwiz

      • pegger1

        That’s how anything with storage is advertised. It’s the industry standard. It’s not the amount of free space, it’s the total space and you’d have to be stupid to think otherwise.

        Even 16GB isn’t really 16GB. It’s actually 16000000000 bytes is what they’re referring to. Which is 14.9 GB.

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        Just because that’s the industry standard that no way makes it acceptable. When you buy a 16gb iPhone only a small portion is taken up by the OS. For example I’ve used about 14GB of space on my 4S meaning only 6GB is occupied by the OS and system files.

      • pegger1

        That’s the way it is. Deal with it. It’s not just Samsungs and iPhones. It’s computers, laptops, tablets, etc. Those are hardware specs, not available space.
        Are also going to complain that 1GB of memory isn’t accurate because it’s not taking account that the OS uses that memory too.

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        Your missing the point. My 4S has 14GB of data (I can provide screenshots if you want) so why is it that with Samsungs devices and other manufacturers there is hardly any space? Anyhow I do not want to further this discussion since clearly you are not correctly interpreting what I am trying to convey.

      • erod434

        Okay… My samsung galaxy nexus has 29 gb of space out of the 32 (I can also provide screenshots), what’s your point?

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        There is no way that Android and it’s system files only takes up 3GB…

      • erod434

        Umm yes there is because it does…

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        If that is true then your device is likely rooted since I find it hard to believe a stock device would have such a large amount of useable storage space and an OS of that size…

      • erod434

        Nope stock android 4.3. Why do you keep spreading BS, android is not a big os, while touchwizz and other manufacturer skins take up alot of space, stock android is a relatively small, only a few gb.

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        “…while touchwizz and other manufacturer skins take up alot of space”
        This is what I was referring to. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. I agree with you that stock Android is great and really small and lightweight but surely you know that most devices come with bloatware and custom skins that are either impossible to remove or very difficult for your average user…

      • Dan

        I have debloated touchwiz on my Note 2, doesn’t take much more than stock. Anyone with half a brain can root their phone and uninstall the junk.

      • Carlos Franklin

        You want to bet?

      • Carlos Franklin

        Backing up my user/system data on my Note 2 takes only 3.4gb of space and this is without compression.

      • TesticularFortitude

        Now I understand why you’re defending them… lol

      • Carlos Franklin

        Its not Samsung, get your facts right. Its the carries that load up the phones with crap.

      • Rowan09

        The iPhone use about 2-3Gb for the OS, etc but Samsung kills their phones with firmware and that’s why Google has their own version without the crapware.

      • Carlos Franklin

        People get your facts right, its the carries that fill the phone with bloatware not the manufacturers.

      • Rowan09

        Are you serious? Most of the bloat ware installed by the carriers can be removed but for example on a Samsung device most of the bloat ware is from them not the carrier.

      • Carlos Franklin

        Not in my case, I have a note 2 and most of the bloatware is from ATT which is basically crap and yes there are samsung apps also but there’re very few of them and most are useful and I don’t consider it to be bloatware.

      • Rowan09

        I have a Note 2 as well for t-mobile and all that’s on it from t-mobile is the mobile tv app. Look at the S4 it has so much bloat ware it takes up about 8GB on a 16GB phone.

      • TesticularFortitude

        Except with the Surface. 16 gigs is actually 9.

      • Juan Herrera

        I’m much happier with nearly 14 GB out the box on a new 16GB iphone 5 then paying for a 16 GB oh let’s say S4 and getting just under 9 GB out the box.. That’s not even close to what i was actually paying for and a bit of a rip off

      • dialogueanalog

        at least they werent as bad as windows. their official response was…so what? this is a full pc os on a tablet. hence why they only sold like 250,000 and their CEO was hounded out.

      • Carlos Franklin

        It’s not android, its the carriers that do load up the phone with crap, but there are fee utilities that you can use to freeze/remove the bloatware.

      • Dan

        that’s not android numbnuts, that’s touchwiz, get your facts straight

      • erod434

        The average user couldn’t care less about benchmarks, so how exactly are they cheating them?

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        By boosting performance when a benchmark is run beyond that of the usual everyday performance. Also many people may not care or even know what a benchmark is but many people read reviews online and quite often these reviews rank the reviewed device with part of the rating based on a benchmark or series of benchmarks. In summary device manufactures are not only cheating benchmarks but also cheating reviews and ultimately cheating consumers.

      • erod434

        The whole idea of a benchmark is that you can see what a phone can do at it’s peak performance, of course a phone isn’t going to run at these speeds realistically but that is the point of a benchmark. So I fail to see how this is cheating anyone.

      • TesticularFortitude

        Utter garbage. What good is a phone that only performs optimally while running benchmarks? Samsung is deliberately misleading its base.

      • Cameron Chao

        The average user most likely uses an iPhone. Samsung is made up of apparent ‘tech fanatics’ that care about benchmark performance. Its cheating their very own audience.

      • Carlos Franklin

        Really?
        A classic statement from a isheep….lmfao!

      • Carlos Franklin

        Benchmark is about testing hardware’s maximum performance and by squeezing the most out of the hardware, not about usual everyday use.

      • Juan Herrera

        the phones are only running at full capacity when triggered by a benchmark test being run.. It’s putting on a show when the curtains go up, but in all reality the output was not accurate at all. It’s misleading representation of the device. Benchmarks are a point of comparison. Taking what u said as the segway, if Apple and Motorola never cheat then they always run at peak performance while most competitors are faking the funk to keep up appearances and claims of better performance

      • Carlos Franklin

        Misleading???
        I would agree you if the tested hardware showed below performance compared to what it was being advertised. In this case benchmark shows above performance. Don’t see the big deal there.

        I own an Note 2 which is being advertised as a quad core running at 1600 MHhz, with a gpu running at 533 MHz, well after rooting I now have the cpu o/c to 1800 MHz and the gpu running at 733 MHz. Do you think I’m going to complaint about it? No way!!!

      • Juan Herrera

        Sorry but no device should know to do a little song and dance when a specific test is run to measure its performance if its gonna falsify its performance results, period. It’s just a shady practice. Your note overclocked is you tweaking your phone. Samsung shouldn’t be tweaking their results to try to keep pace on benchmark tests and if you look from older devices listed to newer, they begin to increase in the amount of tests they are set to fool once tested. They’re highly aware they’re doing it and people have suspected it for some time. It’s deceptive. You overclock your device by choice, but it’s still tweaking it. My iphone 5 is overclocked right now too, but a stock phone shouldn’t be… “Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and automatically driving CPU voltage/frequency to their highest state right away. Also on Snapdragon platforms, all cores are plugged in immediately upon benchmark detect..” Things that shouldn’t be happening right away that red flagged them.. Google/ Motorola and Apple are real competitors that didn’t at all… their results are legit and accurate as far as peak performance numbers.. not faking the funk to keep pace with actual competition

      • Carlos Franklin

        No point in arguing, I respect your point of view. After all we do have choices and each and everyone is entitle to choose whatever fits their needs.
        I for one and I would even go as far as to say that most if not all, don’t decide what to buy based on some benchmark. It’s all about personal taste and functionality requirements.

        For sure no ones need to be a one-brand slave.

      • Juan Herrera

        To me everything is preference. I understand bigger devices may need more power, but apple believes in trying to make things the most efficient way possible. It’s probably a good reason why the 5s is so powerful without not so major component changes from the 5. I’ve heard a few say iOS7 lags on older devices. I would imagine so. Things liked timed animations in iOS7 are what do not allow you to see the 5s’s actual performance power and running on a less capable phone i expect that. Alot of iOS7 features added were also already available for android or through cydia for iOS. It runs fine on the iphone 5. Apple prefers not to add too much functionality for reasons like security, hence why Jailbreaking or rooting is a risk, though the androids already tend to be susceptible without rooting. Making the OS more open to such customizations would only increase security risks and security is something they pride themselves on. Something like the Android Master Key vulnerability which made 99% of android user susceptible to all malware attacks would be unacceptable in iOS. I prefer my device for reasons like that. I don’t need to change every aspect of my phone, and if i did, i’d simply jailbreak for that. I prefer my phone as is with a huge selection of apps and a stable, constantly updated smooth OS. I know Android has improved as has iOS over the years. I’ve been an Android user before, blackberry also, and iphone user for a little over 2 years now, but in those 2 years I started with a 3gs, then 4s, and now 5.. i have an ipod touch 2, a macbook, and an iMac. My devices all work well together so convenience is also huge for me. Functionality all depends on what you deem to be necessary to you. I think everything i need as far as functionality is given to me by my iphone 5 because my demands from my cell phones are simple. Trust, it’s not being a slave to a brand. I had no care for apple until i got to know the devices. Now i just prefer them as many apple owners do. I’ve never had any need any type of servicing or repair and some are pretty dated. It’s just what works for me.

      • Carlos Franklin

        My apologies Juan I didn’t mean to imply you are brand-slave, (although some here seem like they are) It was as general comment.
        Security with android: Well I’ve been an android user for about a year now and I have a rooted phone and I’ve never had any issues with malware/viruses. People that do have this problems is because they put themselves at risk by downloading application from unsafe places. So we can’t blame an OS because of individual actions.
        I do agree the Apple does have 100% control over security though but the one fact is that we just can’t have it all, so we have to compromise when selecting a brand/os.

      • Glorin

        CHEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAATERS

      • grumpyfuzz

        The everyday consumer doesn’t look at benchmarks? Don’t know where you got that from.

  • Jan Souček

    THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE!!! PURE TRUTH has been spoken here…

    • TesticularFortitude

      Is there anything they won’t do?

      • Jan Souček

        Yes there is. Good hardware or software. lol

      • dialogueanalog

        hey they do a solid non smart phone.

      • Carlos Franklin

        Hardware..lol…check out your phone hardware specs and you will find out who’s chips it uses…lmfao!!!!

      • felixtaf

        Check you facts right. Those chips are designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung. If Samsung comes up with the 64 bit chips why Samsung phones doesnt have that tech now and they are saying that it will take may be 2014-2015 for a 64 bit chip in their devices. I wonder how to make you people understand simple facts!!!

      • Carlos Franklin

        Whatever, but still the name Samsung is in there in all of the iphones…lol…THAT IS A FACT!

      • Juan Herrera

        they like that money cuz apple’s guaranteed to do numbers.. And Samsung’s being phased out of anything having to do with Apple soon enough. What you may not notice is they’re growing as a company to compete more. It won’t just be the current products competitors have to worry about.. i know Android users who say Apple’s locally successful.. Won’t be the case for long

      • Dan

        yeah… Galaxy S4 and Note 3 are not good phones. I get you’re fanboy but still

  • Julio Cesar

    Told ya
    How I’m not surprised?

  • Defame

    Yet when Apple commits competition fraud (ebooks) no one here comments lol.

    • CPVideoMaker101

      Not really, they did something shady and they should be punished for their actions. (I wasn’t trying to be too harsh)

      • Rowan09

        Apple is being punished for their actions. Is Samsung and others being punished for lying?

    • Julio Cesar

      Equally an bad action.
      But how this ebooks fraud affects the users?

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        There’s a difference between lying about device performance and price-fixing in the ebook market. One completely point blank lies to the consumer where as the other just results in higher prices for ebooks (no big deal when this day and age if something digital is extortionate there’s always a shady place to get it for free).

      • Carlos Franklin

        Price-fixing is worse the performance boosting while benchmarking wouldn’t you say?

        So apple can screw you and everyone else and at the end of the day all is fine…lol..You isheeps really make me laugh!!!

      • Dan

        So you prefer to be stolen from than lied to? Advocating piracy to compensate price fixing?

        Apple really has your balls in a vice huh, and you’re loving it too.

      • TesticularFortitude

        It raises the price of books for starters.

      • dialogueanalog

        which people can get for free if they wanted to go by the illegal route.

      • Carlos Franklin

        Seriously???

      • Julio Cesar

        I just did not know exactly about the case.
        Calm down.

        But prices of digital books remain well below the price of the physical book…

    • TesticularFortitude

      And don’t lie. Everyone here commented. Don’t make me rehash that tread.

    • Finding ways to make better profits it’s pretty common on every brand, now lying to customers to make money it’s totally different and worst. And should be punished for misleading advertising.

      I bet you’re a big fandroid trying to move all the attentions away from this shameless news.

      Congrats to Motorola and Apple.

  • leart za jmi

    Samsung has manipulated (again) Benchmark results about the Galaxy Note 3, where is the news here

  • seyss

    as I always say, samsung is a company run by people with bad nature. they pay people to pollute blogs with positive comments about them, they cheat benchmarks, etc

    • KennyP

      Samsung is an unethical company running by unethical team

  • erod434

    Anyone who buys a phone based off benchmarks alone is an idiot anyways. Everyone knows that benchmarks should be taken with a grain of salt because they are never indicative for real life performance because realistically the phone never remains at the max speed. This “terrible mistake” by samsung and the others is really a non issue for any sensible consumer who actually tries out a device before buying it. It is being severely blown out of proportion.

    • TesticularFortitude

      Typical apologist. I don’t really care about my gas mileage, but that doesn’t excuse Ford for fudging the numbers.

      • erod434

        But this isn’t something that samsung and other manufactures are advertising about like cars and gas mileage. This is something that users post which already means it needs to be taken with a grain of salt as these benchmarks can easily be faked through software. The fact of the matter is that “issue” this literally effects nobody, except those who use it to attack samsung, the people who already bought the phone are not going to return it because the benchmark is a few points lower and people who are planning on buying it are not going to change they’re mind because the phone doesn’t benchmark as well a picture they saw on the internet. So who exactly is being cheated and how is this a major problem?

      • TesticularFortitude

        You can’t be this stupid. You don’t think Samsung knows that when they send out test units, benchmarks will be run and published? After all, don’t people read the reviews and go out and buy said device?

        Stop making excuses and accept this for what it is – Lying.

      • erod434

        So you resort to the namecalling. Benchmarks are meant to test a phone at it’s peak. Also how do people expect a number do give some kind of representation for usability. The only way to know what a phone is like is to use it. Also, you still cannot answer my question, who is being cheated and how is this a major problem?

      • TesticularFortitude

        Have a nice day.

      • Rowan09

        This is deceptive because its making it seem as if a phone is superior to another in real time usage. If I’m in the market to purchase a phone and I’m undecided I will check the web, play around with it in a store and make my decision. If I see the Note 3 is more powerful than all the other Android phones if I’m in the market for a Droid I will buy the Note 3. This is deceptive and the numbers for benchmarks are no different than then bragging the octa-core on the S4 and Note 3 and 3 Gb of ram of the Note 3, all those things are specs that some people actually look on to make their decision.

    • felixtaf

      I think they are trying to win the competition with numbers. Ex. Reviewers will sure run benchmarks and compare with other top devices. What will a customers reaction when a device beat the shit out of its competitor in reviews?
      people make decisions based on reviews and trying them out personally. So these results have an impact out there.
      Yes, benchmark is not a selling point. But it helps them to get a good name among reviewers/so called geeks in internet.

  • NEWYORKMINUTE10

    Still they are NOT lying nor are they manipulating the results, the processor runs att full resource and the benchmark is what actually measures the capability not the useability.
    Apple advertising the Macbook battery lasts for 10 hours, does it, hell no, lasts no longer 3-4 hours. That is lying

    • ✪ aidan harris ✪

      Benchmarks are designed to give an indication of real life performance however device manufactures have modified Android to boost device performance beyond that of what is normally experienced in real life usage so yes device manufactures are cheating benchmarks.

    • Kartik Dhawan

      Benchmarks exist to test devices in their “Normal” state..
      Not over clocked!

    • Rowan09

      When they give a time on battery usage it will defer significantly depending on the user, it’s not a standard thing.

    • felixtaf

      Scroll down the bottom of the Macbook pro features page. They will have detailed testing conditions for performance and battery life. (Like every other product – Tiny letters).
      But what samsung did here is cheating. Making all the cores to run is ok. But y those cores arent running for normal apps. So, these boosting is done specifically for benchmark, not real world use.
      If u have time, check the original post by Anandtech and arstechnica. they have decompiled the boosting codes and detailed in their article. It even boosts display frame rate. Whats ur answer for that?

      Or, Jus stick to your point and defend all you want.

    • quitcherbichinn

      i get more than 12 hours of use on my MBA running the haswell chip. if i lowered the brightness of the screen i’d get even longer. on my rMBP i got a good 6-8 hours and i got the same on the previous MBP. don’t know what you are doing to get 3ish hours on a Macbook but i can tell you it is all you.

  • Taf Khan

    Take that Droid Trolls…. The Manufacturers cheat, you have little chance of hitting those stats they claim.

    As for Apple, we know the numbers add up.

    Now where are all the Trolls on here hiding, under the bridge no doubt.

    This is pretty hard to defend right? You would never see Intel or AMD behave in such ways, what makes it acceptable with Smartphones?

    • Guest

      Good thing we have the choice to use the Motorola phones and Nexus phones over the other phones if it matters to us, right?

      • Taf Khan

        I wouldn’t call that much of a choice, Motorola or Nexus? Sucks in my view!

        But then again for some one who chooses to troll as a guest rather than select a proper user name… . I guess the choice you have fits just right!

      • Guest

        Motorola and Google actually sell really good phones. The reason you don’t like them is because you are being biased in favor of Apple. I also wasn’t trolling, I was just pointing out that Motorola and Google didn’t ‘cheat’ with their phones.

      • Taf Khan

        Stop hiding…

  • Scumsung cheats on everything. Not just benchmarks.

  • n0ahcruz3

    Like apple isnt guilty of some dirty tactics. Lol

    • Ignacio Irigoyen

      Sorry, innocent until proven guilty, so present proof or stop spreading conspiracy theories just to diminish the cheating been done by other companies, thx

      • n0ahcruz3

        I heard they are guilty in ebook price fixing case thx for playing.

      • dialogueanalog

        yeah, wasnt the best argument from that genius. however, apart from the ebook pricing and the constant law suit throwing show us another one…

        im pretty sure no company is clean. just because apple is smart enough to realise that people will be testing phones and benchmarking them, doesnt make them innocent at all.

        samsung just lies about something that is so obvious and so easily obtainable that its laughable. samsung – why?!

      • n0ahcruz3

        Yup no company is Clean. Thats all i have to say.

      • Ignacio Irigoyen

        So? we are taking about about specs, Samsung was found guilty of copycat and OJ was found innocent.

        Here me are talking about a selling point of a device been manipulated.

      • n0ahcruz3

        Like i said on my first post. Apple is not innocent when it comes to dirty tactics. Did i mention specs on my post?

  • Glorin

    FIRST COPYCATS AND NOW CHEEEEEEEAAAAAATERS.

  • Marcio Atouguia

    I think that these cheating company’s should get shamed properly. Apple can’t maked any mistakes that it is all over the news. So it should be the Samsung, htc etc’s turn.

  • GuyBey0ndC00L

    Time and time again Apple has proving it’s not all about specs and number. Android should just show what they got and stop cheating on test. Be proud of your product.

    • Guest

      Android didn’t ‘cheat’ on the test.

    • Hwang Lee

      I’m sorry, Samsung and LG are not Android.

  • Sgt. ThroatPunch

    HAHAHAHA, first the 5S makes Samsung’s scores look silly, now we know the gap is much bigger than we initially thought! Stick to TVs, boys.

  • DomL

    Apple and motorola gain my respect for this.

  • Elxlr

    The first thing coming out of my mouth after seeing the chart and G. Note 3 was a creepy smile that I had a feeling about android and its sucky system somewhere that’s why high end flag ship mobiles JUST can’t attract me to them. I’m proud of apple.

    Coming from a guy who still owns 3GS and ipadmini. The way I have tweaked my phone ( thanks to JB community ). I made iPhone 4 owners quite envious. If I could, I would buy iPhone 5S.

    • Hwang Lee

      Androids not a sucky system (not stock, at least). All these companies (Samsung) give Android a bad rep, but check out the Nexus and Moto X. Incredible phones.

      • Elxlr

        I agree they might be good phones making android work smooth and other things. After customizing my damn PCM for years. I’m tired of it now. Same with android. It’s the thought I concur upon. What was IOS made for. What kind of people and same goes with android. And I am the iOS guy. I may like some things in android but smoothness is the step after perfection. Not before. That’s where I count it in. And when a company makes SPECIAL effort to keep its things smooth. No matter hardware or purchasing things online or shop experience. I would pay for that smoothness. Their retina responsiveness is way faster than the COMPETITION. If something that can be done on android and iPhone. I’d use iPhone. Feels good.

      • Hwang Lee

        I understand. I used to work with iOS, then I jailbroke it and realized all the features I wanted were on android. Androids been getting smoother with every update and apple has been getting more features. Competition is good.

  • Hưng Huỳnh

    Need more evidence to prove that Apple does not cheat. Is there anyway to monitoring the system while benchmarking iOS7??

    • Rowan09

      They already checked so I’m not sure what you consider evidence. Motorola, Apple and the Nexus 4 are the only phones that past all the benchmarks without boosting.

      • Hưng Huỳnh

        They just say that they already checked. But how can they monitor the system while benchmarking iOS7? Jailbreak it??

  • Joseph A. Ahmad

    Much respect to Google, though.

    • Hwang Lee

      Google’s fantastic. It’s just some of these other companies that give Android a bad rep (Samsung, LG). The Nexus and new Motorola are fantastic products.

      • Joseph A. Ahmad

        Dude, the Moto X is an awesome phone. I would definitely consider it if my relationship was different with Apple. But of course, I love my iPhone and wouldn’t switch to Android just because of my investment in the Apple ecosystem.

  • PaeseSono

    There are some people talking about this is what benchmark for, in my point it’s not entirely correct.

    They need to stated out the main details of their benchmark, just like desktop CPU, reviewer will test benchmark of the stock speed and the overclocked 1, this is to show how much different in performance, and also how many power will the CPU draw from each test.

    The charts show on this article tell me, there will be many people out there will be mislead by the benchmark review, not everybody is a tech geek, and most of them only look at numbers. There is some point why this is misleading some people.

    They did not stated out the boosted and unboosted benchmark.

    The power draw from each boosted and unboosted is different and it will impact the battery life or may be the OS itself will crash.

    With that boosted performance, will the phone run same like the spec they told us example like 15 hour of 3G? 10 hour of talking time etc etc. It will be not the same. And of course the boosted performance only activate at those benchmark tools, actual use only using the stock clock. And I believe most of the people will think that boosted performance benchmark is the stock clock.

    Only a small portion of people out there will actually root their phone and overclocking it, and i believe the battery life will drain faster but depends on the tweaking. And normal consumer dont know anything about this.

  • Douglas Anderson

    You guys are hilarious. Apple is one of the biggest benchmark fakers there is.