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Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller is at it again, stirring the pot via his Twitter again. Earlier this year he called out Android for its staggering malware problem, and today he put Samsung in his sights.

This morning, Schiller tweeted out a link to an ArsTechnica article called ‘Galaxy Note 3’s benchmarking “adjustments” inflate scores by up to 20%.’ And the SVP calls ‘shenanigans’ on Samsung’s attempt to pad its benchmark scores…

Here’s the tweet (via 9to5Mac):

 

This isn’t the first time we’ve heard of Samsung messing with benchmarks. Back in July, it was discovered that the Galaxy S4 uses performance-enhancing code to beef up test results, increasing its GPU clock speed during benchmarking.

Here’s an excerpt from the discovery article by AnandTech:

“Running any games, even the most demanding titles, returned a GPU frequency of 480MHz – just like@AndreiF alleged. Samsung never publicly claimed max GPU frequencies for Samsung’s Exynos 5 Octa (our information came from internal sources), so no harm no foul thus far.

Firing up GLBenchmark 2.5.1 however triggers a GPU clock not available elsewhere: 532MHz. The same is true for AnTuTu and Quadrant.”

And from today’s Ars article:

“After a good bit of sleuthing, we can confidently say Samsung appears to be artificially boosting the US Note 3′s benchmark scores with a special, high-power CPU mode that kicks in when the device runs a large number of popular benchmarking apps. Samsung did something similar with the international Galaxy S 4′s GPU, but this is the first time we’ve seen the boost on a US device. We also found a way to disable this special CPU mode, so for the first time we can see just how much Samsung’s benchmark optimizations affect benchmark scores.”

There’s not much else to say here really. Samsung either needs to start opening up these higher GPU/CPU speeds to all apps, or stop using them in benchmarks. I’m sure some folks take these tests into account when purchasing their devices.

As for Schiller, while he may still be Apple’s most active executive on Twitter, he’s no longer the only one. Earlier this month, Tim Cook began tweeting from his personal Twitter account for the first time.

What are your thoughts on all of this?

  • Blaqheart

    And this surprises people why?

    Come on now it’s Shamesung…

    • Hurdur

      Can’t wait for our pet monkey mrelectrifyer to chime in. He’s always going bananas for this stuff. Our monkey is very defensive of Samsung lololol.

      • mehrab
      • Rowan09
      • Here’s my statement again monkey fu*ker; I consider it as training the device to perform its best during exams. It’s similar to how you prepare yourself for maximum performance during your quizzes/midterms/final-exams…

      • Hurdur

        Awwwww that’s cute. Here, have a banana. Eat it while its ripe, your fave

      • xSeriouSx

        Troll much?

    • Ignacio Irigoyen

      Not surprised at Samsung, but I´m surprise this is not against the law, would it not fall under missliding advertisment?

      • Trollstein Trollerso

        It’s not misleading because the phone can actually perform at that capability. This is very shady, but not misleading. Samsung has lost my respect on this one.

      • Ignacio Irigoyen

        But we are not machines that if a statement is true we let it pass. We are humans and we can reason, and if we see someone twisting and bending the law in a abusive and misleading way we can act and stop it.

      • Trollstein Trollerso

        But you’re saying it’s misleading because it alters itself to perform better. That’s not actually misleading, because the phone itself has the capability to run at the increased output they purposely increased it to.

        It would be misleading if say, they altered the benchmark scores instead of the phones hardware, making a low spec phone look like it tops high spec phones.

        But instead they’re altering the hardware, making it run faster than the competition. It is unfair and shady, but not misleading. If a phone can run itself at a higher clock rate than what’s normal, that’s all and fair. But if it doesn’t actually perform well hardware wise, e.g. the outright altering of benchmark scores (not the phones hardware itself) then it’s misleading.

        Example: I do my best and make a 100% on a test. That’s all and fair. But if I cheat and copy the answers off the teacher’s guidebook, then it’s misleading.

        Samsung made their device do their best on a benchmark. That’s fair.

        They did not however, alter the benchmark scores to make their device look better, without actual performance. That’s misleading.

      • Precisely my point…but it’s too hard for some to accept logic unless Apple tells them to.

      • Umut Bilgiç

        What in the world does this have to do with Apple anyways. Not even askingabout the iSheep stuff.

      • Well what you said you’re not asking about is what Apple has to do with it. It’s expected that people on an Apple dedicated website are biased/brainwashed to support Apple unconditionally, I’m just pointing it out.

      • felixtaf

        You must think before you call others sheep. Follow the link and read the whole article (original post).

      • Yes I read the linked article thoroughly, and if you yourself did, you’d have noticed the following statements:

        GLBenchmark 2.5.1 appears to be singled out as a benchmark that is allowed to run the GPU at the higher frequency/voltage setting

        In these select benchmarks, the CPU is set to the maximum CPU frequency available at app launch and stays there for the duration, all cores are plugged in as well, regardless of load, as soon as the application starts.

        That implies the hardware is capable of doing it, it’s just limited in other apps as they don’t require it to run smoothly.

      • felixtaf

        I read that too. Did you notice there are 3 pics on top of the article? Y all the cores are running in Samsung on benchmark apps, but not on G2 and Nexus 4.
        Also, same article was published in GSMarena, you can read that too.
        But, you are jus adamant to accept a simple fact.

      • Y all the cores are running in Samsung on benchmark apps, but not on G2 and Nexus 4.

        WTF? So in other words, you understand that it’s the hardware that is running at maximum performance, not Samsung modifying benchmarking apps to display that score. However, you’re ignoramusly hating on Samsung ’cause they trained their flagship device to perform it’s best during exams whereas other didn’t? Pathetic numbskull…

      • felixtaf

        Bitch please… U saw that those cores were not running on other apps? U saw the decompiled booster codes?. I wonder how can someone be this stubborn and stupid!

      • Yes I saw those too a55hole. Let’s see how well you perform in a power systems exam when you’re trained for a circuits exam. Not surprised to find such fanboy idiocracy act on this site…

      • felixtaf

        I agree with your points. But thats not the situation here. I think you should follow that link and read the original post. They have decompiled the software and found out software codes that boost the scores and even the display frame rate.

      • Sounds like you lack english comprehension. Re-read the linked article and look out for the following statements:

        “GLBenchmark 2.5.1 appears to be singled out as a benchmark that is allowed to run the GPU at the higher frequency/voltage setting”

        ” In these select benchmarks, the CPU is set to the maximum CPU frequency available at app launch and stays there for the duration, all cores are plugged in as well, regardless of load, as soon as the application starts.”

      • felixtaf

        Only trolls will take on English comprehension as a stupid defence. Thanks. Will never reply to your stupid posts.

      • Chindavon

        The test analogy is lame. When the device is out in the real world, being used by normal people in normal conditions, the “100% effort” is turned off and you only get to use 80% to save battery life. You, the consumer, cannot crank up the juice to full speed. How is that not misleading?

      • Raashid

        Lol, that is the exact same thing Apple is doing (underclocking the processor speed), yet I don’t see whining about it.

        Ever since I had my 3Gs updated to iOS 5.X (sold it and now using a 4S), I ALWAYS removed/disabled the launch daemon named “com.apple.powerd.plist”. Here’s what geeky jailbreakers have to say about it:

        With 5.0 our iDevices recieved a battery drain… Well as a result whatever was sucking up battery also caused the processor to slow down as a way to compensate. Disabling the system location services( Settings>LocationServices>System Services) stopped the battery drain, but your CPU is still being limited with a decreasing battery. With this daemon removed your processor won’t be limited because your battery is at a certain level, giving you a decent performance bump.

        Incase you lack english comprehension, removing/disabling that launch daemon removes the processor limitation Apple has in place, especially when your battery is low. Doing so does tend to make you battery drain faster (even with the screen off), but I valued the performance in most games (during which I had to plug) over the battery life.

      • BoardDWorld

        It’s not the same at all. It would be the same if Apple disable the daemon during performance tests…

      • Chindavon

        You must be brain dead. What does this mumbo jumbo iOS that’s two generations back have to do with this? Find something relevant to copy/paste before making yourself look even more like an (_!_). Thank you, and have a nice day.

      • James

        It’s misleading if, as the report suggests, the phone doesn’t actually perform at those speeds under regular use – regular use, meaning not using a benchmark app.

      • Daniel Akierman

        In Sweden that would be misleading because the consumer don’t get what is advertised. Tjat’s misleading!

      • CarlosZag

        I am not sure if “fair” means different between you and me.
        If I show you my factory capability by asking labors not to eat, drink and pee. Is that misleading?

        My labors do show their best before they quit/protest, so I am telling the truth.

        To you it’s “fair”, maybe, to me it’s not.

      • Ignacio Irigoyen

        It is misleading, because you can not make an app to use that much speed. It is misleading because if I sell you an umbrella but let you only open it inside your house what good is it to you?. The fact is they sell you the raw power, saying use Samsung, look how fast we can go, but you can’t use the power.

      • Taf Khan

        Abit like Ferrari claiming to have a Car that can do 250mph top speed, when you buy the car the speedo max is only 220mph.

        Now if that happened to me, the Ferrari would be going back.. . Tut tut

      • Rowan09

        They limit cars but if you get a chip it will do what they say it can do.

      • CarlosZag

        and how long it could survive after they took out the limitation?

      • Rowan09

        The car will be just fine, just like with anything a performance upgrade needs to be done right

  • Rowan09

    No surprise here. This isn’t the first time and it won’t be the last, some people definitely use these scores to impact their purchase.

  • TesticularFortitude

    “Samsung either needs to start opening up these higher GPU/CPU speeds to all apps,”. Right, so that you can get 30 minutes of battery life. Or your cpu burns up in 2 months.

    • pegger1

      There’s an “either” in that statement, meaning another option that you left out. Let me finish for you: “or stop using them in benchmarks”.

      • TesticularFortitude

        Thanks. Now people aren’t confused.

    • Georges kanaan

      Proof of bad hardware and software right there. ^
      |

      • Raashid

        So you calling iOS devices bad hardware? ‘Cause I pointed out a similar proof in this thread (regarding the com.apple.powerd.plist launch daemon) of the device battery draining a lot faster.

      • Georges kanaan

        No pn the contrary callibg Samsungs hardware bad hardware.

    • Tbm2

      The gpu would burn down if it was used at it’s maximum, for about 2-3 hours. Therefore thrre are this restriction for all the other apps

      • Chindavon

        Finally, someone that understands. The Note 3 would literally blow up in your face. If you do a full sprint without stopping, in a cross-country race, your body would shut down and you’d be dead.

  • Joseph Thebigragu Plaza

    And that’s why people pay for iPhones.

    • William Kosch

      Amen.

  • Charlie Val

    Ill take the Note 3 over any iPhone any day.

    • Georges kanaan

      Bad taste.

      • Raashid

        Ignoramus taste.

  • TesticularFortitude

    Kurt will say this is a ‘feature’.

    • Dan

      troll much?

      • TesticularFortitude

        It’s true…

    • mehrab

      LMFAAAOOO

      • TesticularFortitude

        He down-voted this… Ouchy. Him so powerful.

      • mehrab

        Omg he did? Shoot you must feel so destroyed.

      • TesticularFortitude

        I feel totally owned… lol

  • Dan

    Note 3 still looks good to me, stylus, bigger screen, microsd, ability to switch batteries…

    If people buy a phone based on benchmarks alone, they just aren’t that bright

    • TesticularFortitude

      Of course they aren’t, that’s why Samsung inflates the scores… 🙂

    • Rowan09

      People definitely use these to impact their purchases. Isn’t this what Samsung is selling people on all these inflated specs like octa core, 3gb ram, etc?

      • Wealt

        The heel are you talking about? Lmao. The average consumer doesn’t use these benchmarks AT ALL! Lol go ask a random stranger on the street of they know what benchmark is. Answer is probably: NO!

      • Rowan09

        The average users correct and the average user don’t know what an octa-core is either.

      • TesticularFortitude

        lol

      • Overlord

        True. Even if people were aware I doubt they’d care. People go into a shop they see the phone they like. Maybe do some minor not in depth comparisons and then purchase. Only geeks and techies care about these in depth stuff.

      • Rowan09

        That’s true but it’s not ok to be deceptive. Obviously they felt the need to be deception on their 2 flagship devices for a reason. People do make purchases especially the average consumer on what a commercial tells them to do, that’s why it’s called marketing. Techies care about how the software and hardware mess together, while the average consumer just buy it because it may look cool or can “eye scroll”. Samsung fans just need to take the L on this one, they always bring up specs, like why is the iPhone still dual core, blah, blah, blah and now look.

      • Overlord

        Right. I’m not defending Samsung just to be clear, they’re I the wrong here , it’s not okay to be deceptive just making the point that the average person is uninterested in this stuff.

      • Rowan09

        I understand but the average users don’t even know about MP on a camera, newest updates, or features in a whole as well, they buy either because of friends or commercials. I definitely agree only techies look at these specs.

      • Ron Rainz

        While the average consumer might not know what a benchmark is, the fact is that there are more than 2 categories of consumer (Average and Pro). There are actually 3:

        The Average User: Doesn’t know or care too much about the tech specs, just knows enough to get impressed by such words as “megapixel”, and “quad-core”. Easily wooed by any smartphone company’s flashy tactics.

        The Pro User: Tech aficionado, fine gadget connoisseur. This guy knows everything there is to know about tech, from benchmarks to overclocking. Not easily wooed at all. This guy needs to be impressed, and he’s usually a harsh critic.

        Whats missing is the middle bracket, or –

        The In Betweener: Knows a bit more about Tech than the Average User, but not as much as the Pro user. He reads tech blogs to get the news from the Pro Users, and claims to know more than he actually does. He knows what benchmarks are by name and functionality, but has no actual idea how to describe the parameters which the benchmark tests measure.

        This guy, the “In Betweener”, is actually more common in most social circles than the Pro User. The “In Betweener” will take a look at Samsung’s tweaked Benchmarks, and take them at face value. From there, he will funnel that information down to the Average User, thus convincing him to buy a Samsung phone based on erroneous information.

        Thats how it works, and I’ve seen it a million times. You can recognize an “in betweener” by the blank look on his face when you show him proof of Samsung’s shenanigans. He’s smart enough to realize he’s been duped.

    • mehrab

      Notes dont sell for there stylus i never saw note users using it one bit neither did me myself did it. Typing notes and etc is much more FASTER AND EFFICIENT. Stylus are for artists mostly. And most of the new stylus functionally are garbage (not bad not that good) no one will even think about using it

      • Dan

        Actually stylus is very handy. When I want to jot down something, I pull out the stylus, the phone opens and a note app pops right up. I jot down the note quick like. It’s also useful for certain games.

      • mehrab

        Please stop lying. Yeah you did that twice in a lifetime with yournote. No one uses it surveys,comments,personal expirience has proved it

      • Dan

        Don’t presume to tell me what I do.

    • Rowan09

      People still care about sd cards on phones even when Google is moving away from it? Everyone is pushing for cloud services so sd cards are not really a selling point for most people anymore.

      • Dan

        That’s just not true. If you go on android forums, you will see a lot of people care about microsd (myself included). Not everyone has unlimited data, so cloud is not an option. A lot of people want to store hd video, music, photos on their phone.

      • Rowan09

        I’m not saying no one cares I just said its not a selling point anymore. The Nexus 4 doesn’t use it, yet LG Optimus G doesn’t use it or the HTC One. It’s not a big deal like it was before.

      • Joseph

        Nexus devices historically have not supported SD cards. That’s just Google’s thing.

      • Joseph

        I do. I appreciate the expandable storage so I don’t have to buy a completely new device just to get more storage.

      • Rowan09

        But you don’t need to buy a new device, there’s tons of cloud storage options that’s free. Even Samsung gives you extra Dropbox storage when you purchase on e of their phones. I understand some people still care but its not a selling point anymore.

      • Joseph

        Cloud storage is just that; not local storage. If you’re using a device that doesn’t have 3G or 4G, then you’re screwed.

      • Rowan09

        Come on man if space is what your lacking you can move your stuff at home using wifi. Plus who doesn’t have access to at least 3G now-a-days?

      • felixtaf

        Most of the people have access. But the data-plan prices will eat ur wallet. So, we cant rely on cloud storage all the time. I have access to 3G and 4G, but am not in any data-plan now (home and work has wifi), to save money…

      • Rowan09

        I understand what your saying but if your phone is full you would most likely clear it up on wifi at home, work, etc. An sd card is cool I just said its not a selling point like it was when Android was in its infancy. If you notice HTC and the Nexus 4 doesn’t use a sd card.

      • xSeriouSx

        It’s not a selling point for you individual, good for you. I find it a selling point ’cause I value privacy and haven’t got money to unnecessarily throw away…

      • Rowan09

        Ok if you say so but buying a sd card is more expensive than free cloud service. We’ll just agree to disagree because we’re getting nowhere.

      • xSeriouSx

        “Buying an SD card is more expensive than free cloud storage”

        Hahaha, sounds likes your mama is still paying your mobile/DSL bills (at least $10/month)…or you’re one lucky dude that gets a free UNLIMITED monthly data plan.

        With an SD card, I have UNLIMITED access to my stuff and it’s a guaranteed one time payment. Cloud storage on the other hand, I’m currently limited to 600 MB of data per month, and probably will be for the next 1-2 years.

        That’s only taking the pricing into consideration, not even including privacy in the equation…just saying.

      • Rowan09

        Good try but not even near the truth. I own and pay for a Note 2 bill as well as an iPhone 5 bill. This moronic statement about having unlimited plans means nothing if my phone is full I would just transfer my items at home. If your so limited on data you do what you need to on wifi. I don’t have a data problem there are so many options including t-mobile, AIO wireless, etc. You can brag about an sd as if its a selling point but even Google the company that makes the OS agrees with me, so believe what you want to.

      • xSeriouSx

        Not gonna argue with you, you’ve made up your mind that the cloud is the future. Just FYI, Google too offers a cloud service and what better way of attracting users to the cloud than removing the option for local storage expansion?

      • Rowan09

        Let me ask you this. What happens when you’d sd card is full what do you do then? Is cloud service not the future? Come on you know what your saying is totally bias and wrong. I never said a sd expansion is useless, I just said its not a selling point anymore like it was in Androids infancy. If you remember phones had barely any internal memory and people had to depend on a sd card.

      • xSeriouSx

        When my SD card (64 GB for one-time $52 payment) is full, I buy another one and interchange them when I want. Cloud storage isn’t freely unlimited; everyone I know of has a limit (max I currently own freely, without taking the data plan into consideration, is 50GB) and to expand that usually comes as another monthly subscription.

        Cloud service can’t replace local storage; not until everyone atleast owns their very own private cloud server AND unlimited cellular data is available as part of your mobile plan at a reasonable price (like $50/month). That will in turn be increasing your electric bill, so, it’ll probably only happen when every house is solar powered. Doesn’t sound nor look like that time is anywhere close to occurring, so, in the mean time, I’ll just stick to SD cards.

        Regarding it not being a selling point, that varies from user to user. You probably don’t find it a selling point ’cause your phone already has enough capacity for all your stuff. I on the other hand, currently don’t use it in my phone too, ’cause I can’t, I use a 64GB freed iPhone 4s (and still have no reason to go Android until I’m forced to go to iOS 7). However I use it 24/7 in my Laptop/Tablet (Surface Pro) and cloud storage is nowhere near replacing it’s use; contains my entire iTunes library and Virtual Machines (XP, Linux, OS X).

      • Rowan09

        If you take pictures Flickr provides more than enough space. I was speaking about a sd card on a mobile phone. With IOS 7 in regards to loading your iTunes music is no longer necessary since it can be accessed from the cloud. When I say it’s not a selling point I don’t mean everyone will buy a phone and care less about a sd card, I’m saying most people and maufacturers don’t care as much as they used to. Some people still thinks BBM is a selling point and look where that’s getting Blackberry.

      • Joseph

        People with devices that are WiFi only but have expandable storage. Also, as stated below, moving large files via a data plan will gobble up your data.

      • Rowan09

        I here all your saying and your still missing my point, it’s just not a selling point anymore. You mentio eating up your data plan when if you have no space left on your device, you would do your transfers on a wifi network. You also mentioned its just a Google thing, but HTC is following this same route as well, Google was pushing for companies to stop using sd cards because if you remember before Androids had less than 6 GB on the phone without a SD card. We’ve moved away from those days now but all I’m saying is its no longer a selling point.

      • felixtaf

        Off-Topic: Refurbished iPads are on sale from apple store. iDB had an article on it, hope u saw that.

      • Joseph

        Thanks, but I bought a new iPad from Wal-Mart already, we’re paying for it over time.

    • Siddharth Desai

      Then why does Samsung use these benchmark numbers?

      • Dan

        to impress idiots?

      • Siddharth Desai

        Ditto.

    • n0ahcruz3

      This^^.

    • batongxue

      Fake leather just not appealing

      • Dan

        pretty sure you will be able to switch the back if you’re not happy with it.

  • mehrab

    The note 2 benchmarks higher then the 5. Yet it loses speed tests rendering webpages and gaming (real world uses) the iphone 5s benchmarks were higher on most of them now they are 20 percent more higher so like 30 percent better benchmarks all around then the note 3 plus ios amazing optimazation and app store optimized apps and more 64 bit apps coming for the 5s which is a first to any phone. WOAH apple does it agaig

    • Dan

      Good for iPhone. If they’d make a phone with bigger screen I’d be impressed and possibly interested 🙂

      • mehrab

        Why would you be? I findi t weird how ios users fly to android them 50 perecent come back 30 percent fall in love 20 percent is like i cant wait for a bigger screen/iphone 6 to replace my #androidsmartphone
        You know that too alot of people here
        And many places specially on youtube do it.
        Some ios users never change no matter what i see all time android users carrying iphones just for apps

      • Dan

        Huh? Note sure I get your meaning or your randomly generated statistics.

        I went to android for the bigger screen since I watch a lot of videos on my phone. I really like the ‘perks’ of android, but if Apple came out with a bigger screen phone, I’d be tempted to come back.

      • TesticularFortitude

        Gotta agree here. I like the idea of a bigger screen. I’m just not switching to android to have one. In my opinion, the trade offs are too numerous.

  • chumawumba

    Tim cook retweets

  • Trollstein Trollerso

    It’s deception like this that caused me to switch to a higher class company such as Sony. I hate BS marketing crap like this. It’s not fair in comparison to other companies. If Samsung can do it, why can’t others make theirs look better than Samsung’s? Because Samsung would lose all their sales haha! XD

  • kumar714

    And surprisingly samesung don’t get sued for pulling something like this.

  • Joseph A. Ahmad

    Man, I love Schiller. He gives factual evidence instead of taking arbitrary and biased shots at other companies… Microsoft *cough* Samsung *COUGH COUGH*.

  • Chindavon

    Samsung benchmarks=Steroid era in baseball

  • Wamid

    Yeah.. That’s why I would never get a device by a company that plays me as a sucker

    • xSeriouSx

      But you own a Mac right? Apple scammed users into thinking Macs are immune to malware, and that tactic is still being used in retail stores today.

      • Wamid

        No I don’t own a mac. And I certainly wouldn’t feel robbed if I had..

        I’m not sure what are you talking about.. But I know apple promises a certain level if security and owns up to it.. At least much more than other platform could offer

      • xSeriouSx

        Lol, you weren’t expecting Apple to say their OS is as secure as any other, were you? Also, you weren’t epxecting to read such highly negative facts about Apple on an Apple Dedicated website, were you?

        Here’s (http://bit ly/1dUGXgx) the red pill, if you dare to take it.

      • BoardDWorld

        You are mindless, keep preaching your good word…

      • Chindavon

        Mindless was just too kind..

      • xSeriouSx

        Look who’s talking; the pathertic numbskull that refuses to accept any negative fact about Apple…typical mindless zombie.

      • BoardDWorld

        Do you mind sharing how this scam was performed?

        In any case this has nothing to do with outright forging benchmark results for the large populous of Android users that don’t take real world use into account..

      • xSeriouSx

        Here are the facts, nothing is unhackable and criminals target victims based on how potentially rewarding they are. The scam was performed as follows:

        1. Apple’s OS X was (and still is) very low on market share compared to Windows
        2. Criminals go for the bigger victim (Windows population) for a bigger reward
        3. Apple takes advantage of this situation and markets it as “criminals hate Macs ’cause Macs are unhackable”/”Macs don’t get PC viruses”
        4. Noobs fall for the scam and purchase Macs, thinking they’re immune to malware
        5. Mac population grows and attracts the attention of criminals
        6. Mac malware hits the net, infects 500,000+ macs, and uncovers Apple’s scam that reasonable people have been pointing out for years; nothing man-made is unhackable by man.

        Long story short, it was performed through marketing tactics taking advantage of mindless zombies like you.

        Yeah it has nothing to do with that, hence why I didn’t post directly to the thread (duh), I replied to a comment on the thread and my post relates to that comment.

      • Chindavon

        4 years and counting. Not one virus. Not one malware. Don’t have antivirus. And the best part, I haven’t ever had to reformat my Mac once. On windows, it was a twice annually ritual at the very least.

      • BoardDWorld

        I second that… 5 years using a Mac.

      • xSeriouSx

        How do you tell you have no Virus without an Anti-virus? That’s the same attitude of the 500,000+ (http://abt cm/15Lorak) Mac users that got infected by the flashback malware…keep up that fanatic dream of yours, idiot.

      • Chindavon

        Your left brain is on permanent vacation. I never said it’s not possible. Your posting history suggests that you are a disgruntled RT owner and a tool. How do I know I don’t have a virus/malware? “4 years and counting. Not one virus. Not one malware. Don’t have antivirus. And the best part, I haven’t ever had to reformat my Mac once.” Do I need to put it in ALL CAPS so you can hear? Maybe the virus is on vacation with you. Not wanting to ever go back to its job.

      • xSeriouSx

        Your mouth is permanently sucking on Tim Cocks balls. Your posting history suggests you’re an ignoramus and biased Apple fantard, why am I not surprised. You may not have clearly typed it out that it’s impossible, but guess what numbskull, that’s what your comment implies; especially when you’re replying with disagreement to a comment that calls that claim of Apple’s a scam. Such dingbat mindset you’ve developed…it’s saddening that such idiocracy flows in your family tree.

  • Core

    who are we kidding best phone is oppo find 5