Saurik: there’s “very little hope” that WinterBoard will support iOS 7 [updated]

By , Sep 6, 2013

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When iOS 7 drops later this month, it will mark the largest and most radical update in the platform’s history. In addition to its number of new features, the software’s UI has been rebuilt from the ground up, bringing about new colors, fonts and other elements.

And while most people—at least those who have seen it—seem to be ok with the changes, others are counting on an iOS 7 jailbreak to get rid of the makeover. But that may be easier said than done, because according to Saurik, the future looks bleak for theming…

UPDATE: Saurik brought to our attention that our post was somewhat out of context. In order to clarify the situation, we are posting relevant pieces of comments left by Saurik on this post and deleting the rest of our post:

I made a comment describing a situation, not making a “decision”. This was a call to action, and to some extent it was even successful. I specifically used the words “at this time”, in a comment that I wrote now over two weeks ago. Painting it as a doomsday “WinterBoard will not support iOS 7″ is a very different description of that comment that removes the context of what I was replying to and why I was making the post.

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It seems unlikely that if no one will help with WinterBoard that something would replace WinterBoard. […] The call to action has been somewhat successful, and by the time iDownloadBlog got around to posting this article, the idea that WinterBoard could support iOS 7 is much more likely, with theme artists such as @TCcentex and developers like @thekirbylover actually coming out of the woodwork to help.

A key thing you are missing is that WinterBoard does not currently “support” iOS 6; it makes this sound like it is news, by having a shifting meaning of “support”. The original article in question was about support of iOS 6 in WinterBoard, and how bad it was. In this context, talking about the support of WinterBoard on iOS 7 is massively different.

We apologize for any confusion this post might have caused.

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  • Lé Andy

    Problem w/ iOS7 is that the UIKit was remade and not built the way like it was in iOS6 (and iOS2+)
    So, it’ll be a whole new challenge to support it. I guess…. :/

    • ✪ aidan harris ✪

      Saurik has supported Winterboard through every iteration of iOS and made it backwards compatible through each and every update. It might be time to let Winterboard die and replace it with something better. With what I’m not sure though. It’s hard to improve upon perfection…

      • http://www.saurik.com/ Jay Freeman (saurik)

        It seems unlikely that if no one will help with WinterBoard that something would replace WinterBoard. However, as I state in another comment (which is much lower in the comment list), this article is just linkbait, taking something I said over two weeks ago on reddit, a call to action stating comments about “at this time”, removing all the context, and posting it as if it were news. The call to action has been somewhat successful, and by the time iDownloadBlog got around to posting this article, the idea that WinterBoard could support iOS 7 is much more likely, with theme artists such as @TCcentex and developers like @thekirbylover actually coming out of the woodwork to help.

      • http://www.my-blog.synthasite.com chris_andes

        I believed in Winterboard. I mean, I believed that Winterboard doesn’t need a replacement. It needs the help of theme developers. They are the ones that use the engine and believe it or not, might know more of the engine than the developer.

        Why don’t people realize that starting something, let alone a program, from scratch is not like boiling an egg. Resources and idea’s need to be acquired first before even having a starting page. Thanks Saurik for the enlightening news.

      • LeePattison

        Jailbreaking iOS would not be same without WinterBoard good luck and wish i had the skills to help.

      • rasengan720 .

        i know you probably get this a lot Saurik but what is the status of the iOS 7 jailbreak and any news if we will be seeing at least a tethered jailbreak for the iphone 4? hoping that the bootrom exploit still works for it.

      • http://www.saurik.com/ Jay Freeman (saurik)

        I do not directly develop jailbreaks; I help sometimes, and I contributed to Corona (for iOS 5.0), but I normally take care of everything that comes “after the hack”. Right now, the best source to follow is @planetbeing on Twitter.

      • rasengan720 .

        Hi saurik.. I know you have a busy schedule and you probably get this a lot but I like to create jailbreak tweaks but sadly I don’t know the ways to do them.. I know a little Obj-c.. It would be nice if you can tell me the other languages required

      • http://www.idownloadblog.com Sebastien

        Jay. The fact that you call this article linkbait is almost insulting. While we don’t fancy ourselves “journalists”, we definitely have some ethical standards that stop us from posting “linkbait” articles.

        I don’t think we took your comment out of context. You said yourself that “At this time, given that WinterBoard received no third-party help during
        all of iOS 6, I have very little hope in being able to support iOS 7″. We didn’t invent that, and no matter how many times I read this comment again, I still understand it as “there are few chances WB will support iOS 7″.

        Our article made a point to mention that “It’s important to note that Saurik’s decision isn’t final, and it’s very
        possible that theme artists will answer his proverbial call to arms and all will end well.”

        So it seems that what we wrote happened (devs offered to help you) but we were not aware of that at the time of publishing. We’re happy WB might live on for yet another iOS version and our goal was not to lure people over with a misleading headline, but simply to report what you said on Reddit.

      • mav3rick

        OK. After bashing pod2g for calling iOS 7 an ugly failed design, now comes to call Saurik insulting the greatest writers on iDB. Wondering how long iDB will still attract users who just needs their devices freed by Jailbreak. Guessing only those listening to singing praises how great the bitten fruit is will still hang on here.
        Stopped listening the podcasts after the one on pod2g, still sorry about Jeff’s comments, but soon maybe get off from the site, too, as it’s becoming like propaganda for this new neonOS dud and plastic phones. Stop calling them new, they’re just last year phones in plastic cases! Yes, they’re coloured!

      • http://www.saurik.com/ Jay Freeman (saurik)

        A key thing you are missing is that WinterBoard does not currently “support” iOS 6; it makes this sound like it is news, by having a shifting meaning of “support”. The original article in question was about support of iOS 6 in WinterBoard, and how bad it was. In this context, talking about the support of WinterBoard on iOS 7 is massively different. You can read the comment over and over and over again and not understand, because even you are pulling a comment out of context: you jumped on a bandwagon of other blogs writing articles about a two-week old response to a comment on an article, and seem to only be able to look at that response in hyperfocus without taking into account the entire context. You are better than this: I know you are better than this; and yet you cling to this idea that somehow this is not taken out of context.

    • Sigurd Boe

      You think that is a problem,
      I think thats a great improvement.

      As much as I love Jailbreak, Apple should not cater to the Jailbreaking scene if it means making a worse operating system.

      • Antzboogie

        Oh hush puppy you make no sense lets support the Jailbreak community without these stupid comments.

      • Nate McKelvie

        Your comment makes no sense. This article has nothing to do with apple, it is a way to call themers to action to ensure that winter board survives

      • Sigurd Boe

        I am sorry you are wrong. This is an article about an Apple product. And this is really old outdated news, that is now wrong, and by now I mean the status of the contents of this article changed before they wrote the article.

        Find Sauriks comments on this article for proof.

      • Nate McKelvie

        Umm I have read saurik’s comments, I still don’t think this article is about an apple product, and I still believe what I said is true

  • Swifity

    Wasn’t a very big fan of WinterBoard. Theme’s made the phone sluggish and die faster. But am sad to hear that it may not be supported in iOS 7.

    I’ve been on the Beta for awhile so I have gotten used to using iOS 7, am loving it. Can’t wait for a jailbreak in the near future.

    • Markus Hudobnik

      Same! I’m definitely going to keep the look of ios7 for a long time. I love it a lot. But then again I was never the one to change the theme on my phone anyways.

      But. I cannot wait for a jailbreak.

  • Willie

    Damn, now people can’t download the iOS 6 theme when on iOS 7

    • Jackson Grong

      Don’t upgrade then.

      • Abdl

        Simple

      • RarestName

        What if the phone’s already on iOS 7?

      • Brúnó Nagy

        update your phone with iTunes back to the latest iOS6.

      • RarestName

        Like the next generation iPhone…?

      • http://173.58.214.169/ That’s what Siri said!!!

        U cannot downgrade because that’s what apple said. They dictate on what firmware u can downgrade to

      • Brúnó Nagy

        my brother did it. he restored his iPhone from iOS7 to iOS6 with a restore in iTunes. iOS7 isnt released yet, so the latest version is iOS 6.1.3. If you click restore / update this will happen.

      • http://173.58.214.169/ That’s what Siri said!!!

        But what if iOS 7 is already out. After that they don’t let you downgrade to 6.1.3.

      • Brúnó Nagy

        i see. sorry for misleading

      • therealjjohnson

        No choice when you purchase a new phone.

    • El Barto

      It’s impossible anyway.

      The iOS 7 icons are 6px bigger than iOS 2+ icons. That means that the icons can’t look as nice as they looked in iOS 6.

      • therealjjohnson

        Are you sure that is correct?

      • Joseph

        It is, actually. iDB posted a while ago that Apple was now pushing developers to support the new icon size.

      • Brúnó Nagy

        you can mod it in Springtomize and a lot of other SpringBoard hacks

  • JaeM1llz

    It doesn’t sound like there’s very little hope at all, sounds like he’s just asking theme developers to step up to the plate and help him code the engine. I would be very surprised if Winterboard, or some equal alternative, didn’t come to iOS7.

  • SimonReidy

    As much I really want to upgrade, there’s no way that either my iPad 3 or iPhone 5 are touching iOS7 until a stable untethered jailbreak is available. I rely way to heavily on tons of tweaks, to set up my devices exactly the way I like them.

    I am happy to wait it out though, as I know a jailbreak will probably take time. I’m excited to see what jailbreak developers will do with iOS7 tweaks, given they’ll have a new UI and features to enhance (i.e. one of the first tweaks I hope to see is a way to customise Control Centre).

  • NaSty

    Winterboard would’ve been one of the main reasons why people would want to jailbreak iOS 7 coz those icons are hideous, and they’re over-using the blur effect

    • DroidDoesnt_2

      Exactly…if I can’t theme iOS 7 to get rid of that god awful new look, then I won’t be upgrading. Most of the “new” features of iOS 7 have been available to jailbreakers for years anyway…

  • batongxue

    Man, no.
    I spent 3 bucks on Ayecon.

    • Ethan

      Dude, are you really gonna brag about 3 bucks?

      • batongxue

        LOL, I’m not that kind of guy.

  • JoshuaHulgan

    Thank god. Winterboard was janky from time to time and the themes were awful (Ayecon, etc. being an exception), generally looking like sh*t designed by and for teenagers.
    Hit the reset button on that thing.
    Give me iOS 7.

    • Antzboogie

      Your a dumb ass how about that.

      • therealjjohnson

        *you’re

      • JoshuaHulgan

        Random insult on the internet….
        I like it!

    • Markus Hudobnik

      I agree. For every 500 themes, maybe one was good. The ratio of horrible and ugly themes was outstanding. People have NO sense of style and then half of them made you pay $5 to download their crappy theme. Like really? I know Cydia is open platform, but an app like winter board should support its own theme store. Have categories. And more than anything add in a “most popular” themes category.

    • DroidDoesnt_2

      iOS 7 looks like it was designed for teenagers

      • JoshuaHulgan

        In what way?

      • David Soto

        I was thinking more towards the female audience. I don’t want iOS 7 anymore. I want a phablet.

    • Marcos Frazão

      What the hell i just read
      Someone please point this guy to dribbble, since macthemes is dead

  • http://www.ideaprison.com/ ideaprison

    This is terrible news, those fugly icons in iOS7 need to be put in jail and replaced by others

  • Barry

    I mean, you could always look up themes online or make icons yourself and put them on your iPhone through iFunbox, because it changes the icon instead of replacing it, it will be a real icon to the Springboard. That’s how I did it anyway.

    • RarestName

      Except that it’s not only about theming the icons.

  • Moi

    I don’t care , I don’t even use jailbreak

    • Abdl

      Being a huge jb user in the past,now im starting to dislike it since 6.1.3 upgrade and now ios 7 beta. UnJB’d devices feels more comfortable and smooth

      • http://www.my-blog.synthasite.com chris_andes

        same, i go into safe mode, just to take quick pictures from the lockscreen. It would otherwise take 20 seconds for it to open up.

      • Antzboogie

        Without Jailbreak my iPhone 5 BORING. iPad BORING.

  • Marcus Daniel Houser

    All Tweakers and Themers are going to be put on the spot after the jailbreak is released. I expect free tweaks may not exists as well as the themes, just because it is all a new platform. It will be interesting to see what pops up after iOS 7 is released, just because iOS 6 and before were getting boring waiting for new stuff to be released, but we kinda already new what could and couldn’t be done. Now with everything new, everyone will have to put a little more imagination into the tweaks.

    • RarestName

      Oh, there will be free tweaks for MONTHS. TweakWeek 2.0, remember?

  • 3aloo1

    Stil im not a fan of winter board i was using dreamboard more than it so if the remake the winterboard as a dreamboard definently i will go with it

  • http://www.saurik.com/ Jay Freeman (saurik)

    This is inane: I made a comment describing a situation, not making a “decision”. This was a call to action, and to some extent it was even successful. I specifically used the words “at this time”, in a comment that I wrote now over two weeks ago. Painting it as a doomsday “WinterBoard will not support iOS 7″ is a very different description of that comment that removes the context of what I was replying to and why I was making the post. All of these blogs really need to stop writing articles that are just “here’s a massive comment saurik said on reddit”, it just isn’t journalism; if you want to look into the status of something, you should reach out to me (such as on IRC), get new information, and then write an informed article, not just copy/paste old comments :(.

    • Kurt

      linkbait

    • Moi

      Are u really jay , not someone pretending to be jay ?

      • Burge

        That is the real deal ..Saurik aka jay freeman.. Creator of cydia /Winterboard/ cydget/ cyntact and I know there are others .. It really is him…

      • Lebron

        That’s him. He posts here from time to time.

      • BlockHeid

        Yessir this is Cydia Grandmaster himself without a doubt!

      • 3aloo1

        Hmm.. JAY wtf is that word???

    • Jorge

      is there a real jailbreak for iOS 7 (since no news on tethered… for old devices…) :( ???

      • Burge

        Jay doesn’t work on jailbreaks.. He only get them early to updata cydia/ moblie substrate and anything else that could be broken..plus there is no jailbreak until ios 7 drops..

    • mav3rick

      Saddest part is even that blogs like iDB are getting the overwhelming traffic and interest from people interested in freeing their devices through the great Jailbreak, they started bashing even the creators behind The Jailbreak. pod2g was just admonished here that he cannot call the new iOS7 an completely ugly look with childish icons. But he just expressed what many others said after the neonOS was revealed in June. And he is one of the devs. because many articles are written here.

    • http://www.idownloadblog.com Sebastien
  • Ew

    If winterboard doesn’t work then I will move to dreamboard anything to get rid of that disgusting iOS 7 design.

  • Jason Duong

    How do I replace my icons in iOS 7 now. :( Well played Apple… well played.

  • leart za jmi

    I am not sure that upgrading to ios 7 it worth since jailbreaking will lost the most of its fashion :S
    For the moment ios 6 is more than good

    • Sigurd Boe

      What fashion? Buying Apple products because other people use it is a fashion. Buying Apple products because of their usability is nothing of the sort. Let alone Jailbreaking so you get a wide assortment of features and control of your device.

      The I miss the most are Adblocker, Mobile Terminal, More Icons, Netatalk, Zeppelin.

      • leart za jmi

        Who asked you what you miss the most?

      • Sigurd Boe

        Well played mister cretin. You got served, and while I digress you come with a weak comeback specifically to my digression.

      • leart za jmi

        Hey asshole you should be happy thay your talking in internet

      • Sigurd Boe

        Well played again mister cretin! Physically threatening someone on the internet! Its much smarter than physically threatening someone on the street. If we ever meet, I am sure we can compare our combat experience in an uncivilized manner, but alas, I do not intend to travel abroad to show you several ways to properly kick a man in the groin.

      • 3aloo1

        Man your radio is stuck in your mouth stop talking about this

    • Jorge

      True. but we don’t know if there is a real jailbreak for iOS 7.
      more than losing it’s fashion, it will lost it’s essence, the “feel” :S

    • mav3rick

      iOS 6.x is the latest great iOS.

  • abdullah575

    JAILBREAK is BAD NOOOOW !!!

  • onebyone_

    if iOS7 will have Jailbreak and winterboard will be compatible with it.
    The FIRST thing to do is:
    install winterboard and change the ugly safari icon for another one.

    then install zephyr.
    but now still with my 6.1.2 with JB.
    may be I’ll wait until some stable version of iOS7 (7.1 or 7.1.1)
    every time the firsts OSes (4.0,5.0,6.0) have much troubles with performance and stability.

    Keep doing well Saurik, I just say Thank you for all these hours-days-weeks-years dedicated to this amazing proyect CYDIA.

    • CPVideoMaker101

      I’m not the only one who hates the safari Icon :D

  • klouud

    It would be nice if iOS operated more like OSX in that most (if not all) UI elements are handled by a SArtfile. We have OSX tools that will deconstruct and reconstruct these UI files and then install them for you – I found that when I themed (without Winterboard) this bundled file and then cherry picked the rest of the UI elements that I wanted to theme —- manually, that I got a much zippier much more stable phone. I am not a programmer – I wish I was – so I can only discuss the situation but not help solve it. Anywho, I think that actually replacing system files and not overlaying new ones on top of them would be a better solution.

    That being said, the only 2 tweaks that I absolutely care about are:
    1. TetherMe
    2. MapsOpener

    Everything else is just fluff — IMO of course.

    tim

  • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

    If that’s truly the case, then it will be the end of my iOS time span whenever I lose my jailbreak on iOS 6; can’t stand the kid-painted look of fugly iOS 7…hope you can get it working saurik; best of luck.

    • http://173.58.214.169/ That’s what Siri said!!!

      I want jailbreak so i can get battery percentage on my iPod touch.

      “When pigs fly” should be replaced with “When iPod touches get battery percentage”

      • Brandon D

        You can get the percentage on an un jailbroken iPhone touch. I did it for both of my kids when they got it for Christmas. I believe I had to do it through ifunbox. I’ll find the link and post it for you when I get it. It’s very simple, just changing a few minor entries. I’ll look for the link now.

      • Brandon D

        here’s the link: http://www.ifans(dot)com/forums/threads/master-list-of-plist-hacks-hex-edits-updated.378827/
        obviously change the (dot) in the url. on that page will show you how to enable it. just go to that page and search for enable battery percentage. (ctrl f for windows, command f for mac)

  • laszlo gaspar

    i like iOS 7 just the way it is

  • Tony

    Saurik really doesn’t get it. He’s fallen behind the game. First he alienated himself away from theme artists when he got upset publically for themeit as well as other 3rd party devs. Just cause he wasn’t making any money on their work. Secondly, Cydia has become a massive joke with no rehaul of interface of even cleaning up the categories. He blames it all on the things not in his control when clearly that’s not the case at all. I love jail breaking because it adds to the phone experience but it’s been dullsville for a while now. Rock my phone was beyond better then Cydia. Maybe one day Saurik will wake up and actually make something innovative again instead of playing the blame game on why he’s falling behind.

    • RarestName

      He doesn’t make money from the Cydia store.

  • Hani Akil

    I am waiting to upgrade to iOS 7, people should accept change the ios 7 theme is perfect and no need to change it.. For the themeing they should create a cydia app which should be more advanced from winterboard

    • Nipplesourus

      Nothings perfect. Except cookies! *air five*

  • Jorge

    “Once the jailbreak hits”. There are no news on iOS 7 Jailbreak. No tethered jailbreak, there’s nothing.

    • Franklin Richards

      There’s been a bit of internal issues within the jailbreak community. But they have always been a bit silent about their breakthroughs. Perhaps they might know that Apple have been a bit more strict with iOS 7 so they’re keeping quiet.

  • Markus Hudobnik

    Good. :) winter board always had a ton of problems like battery life issues.

    • Jorge

      Winterboard doesn’t cause battery life issues.

      • Markus Hudobnik

        It did. And it also had RAM problems

  • basiq

    I am already running it on most of my devices lol. It is a rocking iOS. it is SO close to not even needing a JB, but darnit I want my cracked apps lol

  • Markus Hudobnik

    I know Cydia is open platform, but an app like winter board should support its own theme store. Have categories. And more than anything add in a “most popular” themes category. Filter out all the ugly themes.

    Please make this a reality.

    While we are on this topic, a “most popular” category should be added to Cydia also. This is always what happens to open platforms. Nothing is neat and nice. But I guess the pros of tweaks outweighs the bad organization. But seriously, Cydia should be updated when the jailbreak for iOS 7 hits. I think I might start a petition or start raising money on kick starter to fund an update for Cydia.

  • Alejandro Maximo Marez

    I’d just Iike to see a tweak that dims the UI… it’s too bad it won’t be Winterboard.

  • Adel Ali

    Im happy, Installous is gone, and Winterboard might be too. More room for creativity and design.

  • Marcos Frazão

    One thing i do since ios 3 is: wait all my fav or important tweaks got updated then do the upgrade seamless. I will wait any time needed to get winterboard working in ios7.

    WB in ios 7 for me is mandatory, because i’m one who just hate as fu-ck the default icons. Nothing against flat designs, but it cant be fugly as it show, and thank wb to change that :)

  • deano-5

    Stick to 6.1.3 and get the best version of 6

  • CW

    I really used to care about jailbreaking and iOS. but seeing how ugly and slow iOS7 is, I will switch to the Nexus 5 as soon as it is available. why put up with jailbreaking when there is an OS that’s easy to modify – and now even better looking…