Samsung caught cheating in Galaxy S4 benchmarks

By , Jul 30, 2013

Samsung Galaxy S4 ad (Iceland 002)

Cue the Lance Armstrong and Alex Rodriguez jokes, Samsung has been caught using performance-enhancing code to beef up the Galaxy S4’s test scores. It’s been discovered that the tech giant has programmed the handset to increase its clock speed during certain benchmarks.

The claims were initially made in the forums of popular 3D graphics site Beyond3D, and have since been confirmed by the hardware specialists over at AnandTech. The S4 specifically enables full speed GPU during testing, and then reverts to slower speeds for everyday usage…

Here’s the original claim from Beyond3D:

“I’m currently doing GPU overclocking and voltage control in the kernel for the 5410/i9500 and was screwing around with what was supposed to be a generic max limit only to be surprised by what it actually represents.

This GPU does not run 532MHz; that frequency level is solely reserved for Antutu and GLBenchmark* among things. The GPU on non-whitelisted applications is limited to 480MHz. The old GLBenchmark apps for example run at 532MHz while the new GFXBench app which is not whitelisted, runs at 480MHz. /facepalm”

So essentially, the Exynos 5 Octa (5410) SoC in the international version of the Galaxy S4 has a 533MHz GPU clock that’s never used. The handset runs apps and games at 480MHz, likely due to battery life and other compromises, but switches to 533MHz for certain benchmarks.

anandtech samsung benchmark

Here’s AnandTech’s findings:

“Running any games, even the most demanding titles, returned a GPU frequency of 480MHz – just like@AndreiF alleged. Samsung never publicly claimed max GPU frequencies for the Exynos 5 Octa (our information came from internal sources), so no harm no foul thus far.

Firing up GLBenchmark 2.5.1 however triggers a GPU clock not available elsewhere: 532MHz. The same is true for AnTuTu and Quadrant.”

And what’s worse is the site found the same behavior (on the CPU side) in Qualcomm versions of the Galaxy S4, as well as other processors. This seemingly indicates that Samsung isn’t just cheating on benchmarks for one handset, but it’s more of a widespread company policy.

So why does any of this matter? Well for starters, it’s very misleading. What if someone were to compare benchmark scores on multiple handsets, and buy the S4 based on it coming out on top? Or what if you bought it thinking it could handle graphics-intensive tasks, and it couldn’t?

What Samsung needs to do is start opening up these higher GPU speeds to all apps/games, or stop using them to game test scores. It’ll be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of this discovery and if any other handset makers, like Apple, are guilty of similar behavior.

What do you think, is this a big deal?

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  • JH

    Believing those mere numbers for buying an Phone makes no sense for me!

    • Manish Rana

      It makes sense to those brainwashed fandroids.

      • takenlife

        True, because specs save them from restarting their phone ever so often because of instability. No offense I used to have a samsung III didn’t like it because it didn’t last.

      • Bunna Chea

        well should try the new one again be because Im using note 2 I don’t have to restartthem

      • Manish Rana

        Yes, because fandroids never admit that there devices suck.

      • sy

        and apple fans do? i just had to do a hard restart on my iphone 5 b/c it froze up.

      • Manish Rana

        There, you just admitted it. ;) and hence your answer :D

      • sy

        dude really?

      • ClaudieX X

        Froze up????? I think that you bought the chinese version… the iFun !!

      • sy

        yes it happens. and no i have the American (at&t) version. in other words “shit happens”

      • Manish Rana

        American AT&T version? Lol. Ok

      • sy

        Ok you clearly need to be spoon fed this so pay attention. I said American as to not be confused with the international version ie China. and the parentheses (At&t) was to indicate that it was on the a certain network.

      • Manish Rana

        Ok mom

      • Dan

        Stereotype much? I’ve had a Note 2 for about 6 months now, I’ll admit I’ve had to restart it 2-3 times. Only happened with I installed ‘questionable’ apps.

        Same happened to me with iPhone when I installed jailbreak tweaks.

      • Vincent

        Really? I’ve had a 3GS for 3 years NEVER had to restore or restart it.. :D

      • Dan

        Well to be fair, I jailbroke the phone, and I proceeded to install tons of tweaks off of Cydia, so I don’t blame the phone.

      • Pankaj Rana

        Agreed!!! Fandroids always shouts like my device scored this n that n ur scores i’es scored just that. Literally such fandroids r very annoying people…

      • Dan

        Fandroids and Apple Fanboys are both annoying to be honest. I like to see the good in both platforms, it all comes down to what people want.

      • Pankaj Rana

        Yeah that’s also true, that’s y I owned both, One X+ n iP5 :)

      • James

        Yeah… That makes sense that android users are the brainwashed ones. Totally. Lol isheep.

      • Guest

        He never referred to Android users as a whole, he’s just referring to biased android fanboys; i.e. fandroids.

      • MarcPhilippeB

        This brings it to the point. Thank you.

      • Jared

        yeah, all android owners DEFINITELY have a device made by samsung!

      • Carlos Franklin

        brainwashed fandroid???

        Who’s’ the company that keeps its loyal followers with limited options on their phones? Most of whom have to rely on the JB community to add this options!

        Who is the brainwashed apple fan now?

      • Manish Rana

        Awwww did I upset you? That’s cute. A typical fandroid. Always insecure and paranoid and interested in someone else’s life. Lol

      • Carlos Franklin

        lmfao!!!

        Yep im a fandroid and ios fan, own 3g, 3gs, 4, 4s and now a Samsung Note 2

      • Manish Rana

        I own a maybech. But I am not the best driver neither I am the best consultant.

      • Carlos Franklin

        lol…

  • R4

    Typical Samsung

    • Evan_Beezy

      Lmao that just goes to show they know what Fandroids look at when buying a phone even though it never matters. FOOLS!

      • Carlos Franklin

        Fools??
        Seriously Evan!

        Who is the one that the option limited iphone? You or me?

        Who is the fool now?

      • Evan_Beezy

        You. I just prefer the iPhone.

      • Carlos Franklin

        Right!!!

      • Manish Rana

        Options options i want options. Omg options. Even if they are crap I want options.

      • Carlos Franklin

        lmfao!!!

    • MarcPhilippeB

      The sad thing is, your statement is actually true.

  • Diego

    Sooo typical of a crap company.

  • Kevin Guzman

    The only thing I am actually satisfied with that’s a Samsung product is my TV. Also, this comment is completely irrelevant to this post and any future conversations on this post.

    • mehrab

      I prefer bravia tv”s samsung has lots of gimmicky features on there smart tvs that dont work #cantwaitforitv

      • Jarryd Richards

        YEAH, BRAVIA

      • Kevin Guzman

        Bravia is great, but Samsung TV’s have never let me down. We are currently using them in every office at my job simply because they work and the quality of the picture is pristine.

      • mehrab

        Yeah true

    • Matt

      My Samsung refrigerator works just fine. For now..

      • Kevin Guzman

        I completely forgot they manufacture appliances as well. I wonder when Apple will deliver their iFridge…

      • Carlos Franklin

        its prolly in the works!!
        They’re working on how to set the thermostat with the iwatch.

      • BoardDWorld

        Actually the Samsung vacuum I bought is a great machine, but it still sucks! :)

      • Carlos Franklin

        lmfao!!

      • Manish Rana

        APPLE is not making vacuum cleaners. It is doomed.

    • Dunstall

      Panasonic give a better picture, are better value and have the best reliability record for the past 50 years, Samsung is better at gimmicks and playing the market

  • Tom García

    Shamesung does it again

  • Timothy

    This is one of the many reasons why I loathe Samsung. Not only this, but their ads don’t stop at making fun of competing smartphones, but the users of competing smartphones. Samsung is a shady, cheating company with low morals and detestable business practices.

    • Diego

      Say no more

      • ClaudieX X

        Stop talking like Charly Garcia !

    • iosPixel

      I’m a big apple fan. However It would be naive to say any major brand isn’t shady. They rely on being shady.

      Flat out cheating on the other hand…

    • diggitydang

      I’m an Apple fan too, but Apple’s marketing team did the same thing in the early 2000’s (I think) with the “I’m a Mac and I’m a PC” run… Wait, I guess that’s also another +1 on the Samsung copying Apple battle… You get my point though.

      • Saria Hajjar

        lol… i remember what they did (it was hilarious) BUT… they were comparing Macs (a company’s product) to a PC (not a specific company)
        thanks for the memory… i really needed that today :)

      • Manish Rana

        More over they were comparing devices, Samsung is behaving cheap by taking a jab at apple users.

      • Saria Hajjar

        i was talking about the Apple’s Commercials “I’m a Mac and I’, a PC” but what ever

      • Manish Rana

        Yes, they always talked about machines not users. See! Brainwashed!

    • MarcPhilippeB

      nothing to add.

    • Carlos Franklin

      lmfao!!!
      “Cheating company”

      Did you know that apple went to court against the JB community in order to stop them from giving you apple fans total control of your iphone?

      Who’s cheating who?
      Who’s the cheating, selfish company?

      • Timothy

        How is that cheating? :P

      • Anton Zuykov

        could you elaborate more on how it is considered to be cheating?

  • ɑղժɾҽա

    The GS4 seems like a great device, but I prefer iPhone 5 with iOS 7.

    • Saria Hajjar

      now here’s a person with sense… he/she just states his/her opinion WITHOUT INSULTING OTHERS

      • Kurt

        haha, look at the people like “marcphilippeb” and others who up voted your comment. They are the ones who attack people personally

      • Saria Hajjar

        no offence Kurt, but is this suppose to be interesting or funny?

      • Dan

        I think he’s just bringing attention to the hypocrisy of it all

  • Vincent

    What more do you expect from a below average company

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1496513068 Zach Krase

    way to go shamesung

    • Kurt

      creative!

  • Jacob Nørgaard

    I have an iPhone 4, but it became too slow. So I wanted something new and better. I have been very satisfied with my iPhone, make no mistake, but the iPhone 5 was just… well, very samey.

    So I got myself a Samsung Galaxy S4. I still have the iPhone laying around, I have bought iPad 1, 2 and 3 and have been satisfied with all of them, heck I even had an old iPod and iPod Touch.

    To me, this so called “cheating” doesn’t matter at all. The phone is still blazingly fast. Apps switch crazy fast compared to my old iPhone 4 and even considerably faster than my colleagues iPhone 5, the camera is awesome, the screen beautiful.

    All this “fandroid”, “Shamsung” etc. crap is really making you all sound like you’re a bunch of blubbering Apple fanboys yourself. It’s not really adding anything useful to the discussion.

    • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

      Take your common sense somewhere else, it’ll be down voted here by iZombies…

      • Saria Hajjar

        so tell me MrListenToNoOne… when we say something positive about an apple product, you say “its because we’re fans of apple” and when the comment is about a Samsung/Android you say “its common sense but people here won’t listen to you”.
        am not saying all the apple/android fans are right or wrong.. but come on! in this article, i think you did this move about 4 times now (and i haven’t finished reading the comments yet)

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        No, when you type unreasonable stuff, I say it’s ’cause you’re a biased fanboy. It’s just a coincidence that the biased fanboy is unreasonably praising Apple; which you should expect on an Apple-news dedicated blog.

        When you type reasonable stuff on a company-news dedicated site, which criticizes that company, I say it’s common sense but fanboys/fangirls won’t listen to you, ’cause common sense is clearly rare amongst them. Again, it’s just a coincidence that the company in this case is Apple; which you obviously should expect on an Apple-news dedicated site.

      • Saria Hajjar

        i was never against you… i was against the actions you are doing and how you give you opinion…
        people like you disgust me (this is how i feel when i read your comment)
        and now reply with even a more rude comment, just like you did.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Sorry, I never meant to be rude to any reasonable person….

      • Saria Hajjar

        i respect how brave you are to apologies and listen to others.
        from my heart, i would like to thank you

      • planetcoalition

        I think you’re equally unreasonable, if not more so. Calling others unreasonable does nothing to put you to an advantageous position. If anything, it just shows you ran out of arguments.

        With regard to the article, I think Samsung has to work on their morals and ethics. They were found to be paying for shills, paying the media to distribute fake reviews about their products and spread false and negative information about their competitors. I understand they want to profit more, but come on. Be fair.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        You should go look up the definition of unreasonable, ’cause you clearly haven’t got a clue what it means or you just lack english comprehension. Here’s a good place for you to start: http://bit ly/Vh30Ze

        You could say the same about Apple. They are being hypocritical about inventions; before they were successful, they were stealing ideas (http://bit ly/13tVo4n), now that they are successful, they are now pretending to be the inventors of all the ideas they stole and patented, and are suing competitors who dare to take the same route. And now that they’re getting owned at their best game, suing, they’re looking to break the law to get stuff going their way again (http://bit ly/14BltxP). So, its not like they’re playing fair either…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1496513068 Zach Krase

      Did Samsung pay you to say that?

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Did Apple command you to ask that?

      • Anton Zuykov

        it was common sense that commanded that

    • JoJo

      I took your post serious until you said :
      “considerably faster than my colleagues iPhone 5″

      How can you even say that? The iPhone 5 has next to no lag doing anything. All apps open up pretty much instantly when you tap them. (How much faster that instantly can it get?)

      So saying your Samsung s4 is “considerably” faster.. is plain old bull shit.

      • JT

        Hold on. You seem to confuse two different things here. The lag/stuttering isnt the same thing as how fast a phone opens an app. The lagging is the animations that simply fails for some dumb reason. The phone still opens the app in the same amount of time as it did earlier when it looked smooth. Thats two completely different things. Iphone 5 is lag free (even iphone 4 that isnt cluttered with apps is) cause of iOS excellent optimisation. The animations are pretty much perfect. Androids animations (specially touch wiz) are broken imo. Thats why people cry lag. But they never think about the fact that it took the phone just as long to open an app as it did earlier. It just looked like shit

      • mehrab

        Teses the gs4 with an iphone 5 the gs4 openedd some apps faster but all games and web browsing was faster on the 5 also take a note app usage/navigation/operating perfomance once its lauched is no where as high as the iphone 5″s

      • JT

        Not sure what you are talking about. Never compared the two phones against eachother. I pointed out the most common misunderstanding

      • mehrab

        Js that the iphone 5 is more responsive and fluid then the gs4 and also faster in all types of game apps and some other basic apps like rdio, fliboard and is faster at loading webpages etc

      • JT

        In other words off topic since thats got nothing to do with what i just wrote. You should go back and read again

      • BoardDWorld

        This is correct, but that’s what I hate most. I would love an HTC One X with Ubuntu Mobile on it. Or this new Ubuntu Edge they’re campaigning for.

      • BoardDWorld

        Just to put that into better perspective, imagine buying a nice car and the doors jittered as you opened them. I would take it back…

    • smtp25

      So wait your old iPhone 4 (from June 2010) is slower, SLOWER than your S4 from June 2013?? I wonder if 3 years of development and cost reductions for components had anything to do with that? nah

      • Diego Gastón Milano

        Exactly! Finally someone who pointed it out properly. Although he was never an active iPhone 5 user so he doesn’t have a vast experience with it. Even if he were, the iPhone 5 is a generation older compared to the Galaxy S4, so, I don’t think the comparison is valid.
        One way or another, I find it really sad to read people complaining about lag on such new devices that cost so much money. It’s just a phone.

      • Bunna Chea

        you are dumb bro. Recount the generation again. S4 is one generation behind

      • Diego Gastón Milano

        The S4 was released in April 2013 whereas the iPhone 5 was released on September 2012. I suggest you reconsider your information sources and also get a doctor appointment on how to deal with anger management. :)

      • Diego Gastón Milano

        I’m afraid you are wrong; the iPhone 5 was released on September 2012 whereas the Galaxy S4 was released on April 2013.
        My recommendation is for you to reconsider your information sources as well as getting a doctor appointment to treat your anger management issues. :)

      • Guest

        I’m afraid your wrong. The iPhone 5 was released on September 2012 whereas the Galaxy S4 was released on April 2013.
        My recommendation to you is to reconsider your information sources.
        Also, I am hoping iDB ceases censoring this message as it is actually the third time I post it. :) Thanks.

    • mehrab

      The gs4 is no where near as responsive inside applications like the iphone 5. Trust me gaming web browsing on the iphone 5 is actually faster. Re test it with your colleagues iphone 5

  • Mohammad Ridwan

    SCAMSUNG

    • Taf Khan

      Lets hope they get a flood of S4 handset owners trying to return them for the false advertising.

      • marc.ecko28

        Lol, can you tell me which ads samsung says it running on 480mhz? 544mp3 gpu have 532mhz clock speed.

        As far as i know all blogs and website even anandtech told that exynos running in 532mhz gpu.

        Any link saying that samsung clocked exynos s4 gpu to 480mhz?

      • Anton Zuykov

        no, because samsung fanboys buy them because of SPECS!
        Since specs are fine, there was not false advertising, and thus no ground for return )

    • Guest

      Whoa, so creative!

  • Taf Khan

    Cheaters never prosper!

    Now if you purchased a S4 based on the performance specs… can you return it?

    • planetcoalition

      I doubt people bought the S4 based on the benchmarks. The majority of people just listen to others who usually just summarize the benchmark results as “pretty fast”. It shows, however, how despicable and pathetic Samsung can be, and people should be aware of that.

  • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

    “It’s been discovered that the tech giant has programmed the handset to increase its clock speed during certain benchmarks.”

    WTF? Isn’t that exactly what iOS does to Apple’s A# chips? They’re not running at a constant max speed; they’ve been underclocked for battery preservation purposes, hence why there was a variety of geekbench scores for the iPhone 5…sheesh, whatever happened to deductive reasoning in blogging school.

    • iosPixel

      You sir have a valid point. I’m unaware of a manufacturer that doesn’t underclock a chip to an extent.

      However the problem is when a company gears thier phone to performing better JUST for the tests as oppose to contstantly reverting through these high power states when necessary.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        On a regular usage, there’s no need to have the processor running at max speed, so long as it’s performing snappy smooth.

        Just like your final exam tests your capabilities on the subject, benchmarks on the other hand are clearly to test the performance capabilities of the device. So, isn’t it reasonable to have the device perform its best possible when being tested?

      • iosPixel

        Sure but can’t the apple devices use those same clock states when under stress? I figure this article implies that the Samsung device doesn’t.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        I wouldn’t expect any iDB blogger to nicely clarify on a non-apple product, so, I always take their writing with a grain of salt.

        I personally would expect the device to make use of that additional horsepower when necessary, but there’s no way of proving whether it does or not without having the entire source code of the OS.

        So long as it performs smoothly when using it, I really don’t see the reason to complain about it being underclocked. If it was overclocked, or running at max speed always, you’ll start reading complaints about the device having terrible battery life; iDB will always find something to rant about competitors…

      • Melvco

        As noted in the article, we are anxiously awaiting to see if Apple is guilty of similar behavior. Unfortunately, that data doesn’t exist right now and deep diving into low-level SoC code is outside of my abilities. But I assure you, if that info ever comes to light we’ll pass it on.

        As for Samsung modding its device’s behavior, I see it like this:

        Say I go to the car dealership, and tell the salesman I want the fastest car he has. I tell him I like the Porsche, but he says the Ferrari is faster. He even takes me for a test drive to prove how fast it is—100MPH in 4 seconds. So I buy the Ferrari, and as I’m driving it off the lot, I notice it feels slower. So I ask the salesman what the deal is, and he says the dealership has put a restrictor on it to make it slower so it gets better gas mileage. And there’s no way to remove it short of me doing it myself.

        There was no ranting going on here, just passing along interesting findings.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        I kinda see your point, but does the car not go up to 100 MPH when needed, say on a long highway? Or even better, do you drive at 100 MPH always?

        Not sure of your answer to the latter question, but in the case of SmartPhones, the device doesn’t need to be always running at max processor speed, so long as it’s functioning smoothly. On the other hand, if it had that horsepower to work faster and yet was performing sluggishly (which hasn’t been the case for most reviews), then I’d see a reason to complain; they’re down performing my device to force me into buying a newer device. Funny enough, that was actually the case with the iPhone 3G and iOS 4…

      • RarestName

        It probably does not run on the maximum speed on the S4, only on tests.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Neither does the iPhone 5, but who’s to blame for Apple not training their device to work harder in benchmarks? Fandroids seem to judge devices based on speed, so, it’s a good marketing tactic Samsung is using. iSheeps seem to judge devices based on “it just works”, so, Apple just makes their device work, another good marketting tactic.

        In the end, it still runs smooth (according to most unbiased reports), so don’t see why it needs to burn more fuel and run faster.

      • Anton Zuykov

        Neither does the iPhone 5,

        If that result of i5s is under the same power management as any other app then it is fair.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Welcome to last year. You have a long way to go in the computing world; the basics is that not every software requires the same amount of CPU power…

      • Anton Zuykov

        yea, tell me (MS in Computer Science) more about this ))

      • ClaudieX X

        Wrong and wrong and wrong… man!!! please…

        Cars have a system that make your engine never work at 100% for not burn out reasons… for example… Ford EcoSport runs at 180 km/h max speed (the engine can run at 200 km/s)… tested… and on papers said 181 km/h max speed… so the speed they said is the speed you have.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        And exactly how does that make me wrong? Please talk logically…

      • ClaudieX X

        If you wouldn’t expect any iDB blogger to nicely clarify on a non-apple product. why are you still here? nobody wants your opinion so far.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        And nobody wants yours either, so what’s your point iTard? I use a freed iPhone and I like to keep up with the jailbreak news/podcasts, doesn’t mean I have to blindly accept every word they type…

      • ClaudieX X

        Ok, bad answers machine !! I’m here for years, so first clean your ass before talking to me. You never had an AMD processor that with 70% of the speed of intel equal core… They do the same or more. So speed is relative.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Ok, dumb answers iTard. I couldn’t give a rats a$$ how long you’ve been here. All I see is an ignoramus typer just randomly going off topic…stick to the topic dude.

    • mehrab

      Btw the gs4 burned a house in korea/japan lol google it

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Yeah, and someone died from making a phone call with the iPhone 5…Nothing funny about that, someone is now dead/homeless due to misuse of the device.

      • mehrab

        That wasnt my point im saying the gs4 has alot of overheating issues. All phones get warm but the gs4 … Burns you and your house

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Several friends here own the iPhone 5, still talk to them every day. Several friends here own the GS4, haven’t heard of any of their homes catching on fire.

        Accidents happen due to human error, can’t you understand that?

      • mehrab

        I dont want to talk to a fandroid anymore wow. If you read the story you”ll see he didnt really pressurize his gs4 that much i have had iphones with i left on downloading apps for more then 14 hours while charging ot never got heated up my point is iphones dont get as heated up as most of the android flagships

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        So you’re telling me you’ve used every iPhone/SmartPhone out there in every weather condition? Seriously, you’re just too biased to reason with. Just ’cause I’m typing unbiased and logical stuff, you instantly think I’m an Android user; such a fukn brilliant thinking process you’ve developed.

        If you’re still wondering, I use a freed 4S as my everyday device…

      • ClaudieX X

        She died because of the chinese charger that she bought the week before her dead… read the news… all your examples are wrong…

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Yeah, keep telling yourself that fanboy, until it happens to you. News sites like this one (http://bit ly/13Yro46) says it was official iPhone charger that killed her yet I read here on iDB that it was a knock-off. When it comes to reporting such critics about Apple products, I’ll take a non-Apple dedicated site news as more valuable than the opposite anytime…

    • ClaudieX X

      the core is underclocked… but it remains underclocked doing benchmarks !! so your example is wrong, like most of what you are saying…

    • Anton Zuykov

      no it is not.

      the OS should detect CPU load and ramp up speed of needed. But if it does it only in certain way named apps, then it only does it in those apps. In other apps it will be impossible to get all that performance.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Consider doing further researching outside the iWorld…

      • Anton Zuykov

        could you, please, be be more specific on what exactly was incorrect with what I said?

        It doesn’t matter who does it – if they artificially bloat their score in the test comparing to a normal application then it is cheating. And it has nothing to do with priority or the way apps are specified inside of the OS.

        If you have a test and a game (both are CPU hungry as hell) and in the game the CPU doesn’t get the same frequency/or number of course as in the test — that’s cheating.

        But if they use the same dynamic frequency management across both applications – that’s just how dynamic power management works – no problem with that — it is fair

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        You implied that Samsung isn’t giving non-benchmark apps the ability to use that horse power where necessary, which is expected of someone who doesn’t research outside the iWorld. If you researched outside the iWorld, you’ll probably have come across this (http://bit ly/1cJQ1WR).

      • Anton Zuykov

        nope, you don’t do that kind of stuff if you don’t wanna cheat.

        So, in tests it is okay to ramp it up to 100% speed, whereas in games it is not.

        In other words – what they say is – we deliberately increase speed in benchmark apps so that you can see the max score, whereas in other apps requiring THE SAME amount of computations we don’t do that.

        In other words, in NONbenchmark apps you get less performance in G4 than in benchmark apps.

        It has nothing to do with iWorld.
        BTW I am using Linux and windows, not OSX.

      • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

        Sounds like you just ignored the following statements…why am I not surprised.

        “Update: Samsung has posted an official response to yesterday’s benchmark kerfuffle, explaining that the maximum frequency for the S4 is actually 533MHz, but that it is actually scaled down for “certain gaming apps that may cause an overload”. The maximum frequency, according to the statement, is also attainable in “apps that are usually used in full-screen mode” like the gallery, S Browser, etc.”

        If you can comprehend anything that supports an Apple competitor, you’d realize apps like the Gallery app, S Browser, etc. have access to that horse power. I’ll live you to do your ignoramus hating…

      • Anton Zuykov

        “certain gaming apps that may cause an overload”.
        “apps that are usually used in full-screen mode”

        So, full screen mode enables 100% freq BUT in SOME gaming apps it causes “overload” (it would be nice to explain what that is – cause it is a meaningless term)

        but that it is actually scaled down for
        if they have a special case for only test apps – that what the document showed – it is kind of hard to deny that they knew what they were doing.

  • Chazy Ronnie

    “If you can’t beat them, cheat them” -Shamesung

  • Aha

    Lol. The comments section of iDB is truly hilarious. Anything for the fanboys to jump on. Same goes for the android fanboys. If Samsung is such a crap and pathetic company why does Apple buy their parts from them? I really don’t get these fanboys. I mean c’mon. Shamesung and Crapple? How old are you people? None of these companies care about you the individual so I don’t know why people try to uptalk and defend them like they’re your family. Samsung cheats. Apple cheats. Google cheats. Everyone cuts corners. You must be delusional if you think this is the first or Samsung is the only one.

    • https://twitter.com/MrElectrifyer MrElectrifyer

      Common sense? WTF do you think you’re doing here? You’ll just get down voted for such reasonable comment…

    • takenlife

      Samsung isn’t a crap and pathetic company, they are successful in thief own way, Apple buy parts from many manufacturers. There’s no wrong in buying parts from other companies that compete against you. People have been a fan of a lot of things. Lakers vs Celtics, Apple vs Microsoft, PS3 vs Xb0x, and coke vs pepsi. It’s natural to take sides. I’m sure you do the same but you don’t realize it. People don’t realize the companies don’t care about their opinion posted on blogs, although that could not be true. This post was about samsung caught cheating, I’m sure something would be posted towards other companies as well. There is nothing wrong with this article that was posted.

    • marc.ecko28

      Actually its not cheating, they dont say that it runs on either 532mhz or 480mhz. 544mp3 has 532mhz gpu on apple devices. Besides its benchmarking ofcourse they are giving us the results of hardware performance.

    • Zero

      Apple doesn’t buy part from samsung?,they manufacture it.

      • http://www.alexdumitru.com Alex Dumitru

        The iPhones and iPads are mostly made by Samsung.

      • Anton Zuykov

        and that is even funnier then since Sams still struggles to get to the same level of performance even with some insides into what Apple does ))

  • marc.ecko28

    How can you say its cheating? 544mp3 runs with 532mhz and can you give me the link where samsung says that it runs in 480mhz?

    As far as i know even anandtech claimed before that galaxy s4 octa GpU runs with 532mhz.

    Benchmarking is to show the full potential of the phones hardware to its maximum performance and 532mhz is not yet even overclock!

    Same with snapdragon and exynos cpu.

    • smtp25

      By your logic its like Ford selling you a car that can do 100miles/h, then limiting it to 10. Sure it could go 100 but for stability and fuel reasosn they limit it to 10. So why benchmark it that high

      • JT

        Uhm. 90% difference? Seems legit? Its rather that the car does 200 and they limit it to 175-180. Still to fast for your underwear

  • Steve Brea

    Nothing new here from samsung, always trying to copy and cheat its way to the top even though it never will.

  • mehrab

    I remember when i use to have a galaxy s3 and laugh at the iphone 4″s benchmark tests but then i swiched and could not believe how retarded i was to judge a phones perfomance based on specs. Why are android phones slow? 1.they run android (some phones even run a skin over android which makes it worse for e.g touchwiz) no dedicated/super powerful gpu. Horrible app optimasation. Too high ppi/res strains the device a lot making it laggy e.g gs4. These reasons make the iphone 5 more responsive and smoooter and in most games and apps web browing etc much better then top androids of the market as off now

    • StarViruZ

      That’s why I perfer iOS. Even I get amazed iPhone 4 will get iOS 7 despite being older and lowing rendering. I guess every hardcore game will run normal on A5 or higher for another year or two :)

      • mehrab

        Yeah its also awesome how most intensive games support iphone 4″s and 3gs”s

  • Andrew Roth

    Was it Samsucks that also was hiring people to write good reviews?

    • Saria Hajjar

      i don’t know about that?

      • Dunstall

        Back in April they hired students to spam forums and bash competitors, only a few days ago it was revealed they tried to pay off StackOverflow users, go figure.

  • sy

    benchmark number don’t mean anything its how the device operates in every day usage and what you prefer after all its just a phone.

  • Mahjikk

    I noticed that it’s usually FOBs (fresh of the boaters) that immediately jump into the fag-droid vs iSheep retardedness. Most normal people don’t really give two shits, since common sense tells us that each phone has it’s strengths and weaknesses

  • RarestName

    Benchmarks don’t mean anything.

    • Anton Zuykov

      “Benchmarks don’t mean anything.”
      I think you meant “specs don’t mean anything”

      • RarestName

        Benchmarks and specs don’t mean anything.

      • Anton Zuykov

        depending on the what load that benchmark represents. In particular, what distribution of different instructions is there and what kind of use pattern it corresponds to.

        So, if it is a good made benchmark it pretty much will show you more or less objective picture, whereas specs can’t show that – they are just numbers that are too vague in terms of how they affect performance.

  • Ishaan Malhotra

    I really love android, but i hate shamesung

  • Ishaan Malhotra

    I love android but i hate shamesung

  • Charl Erasmus

    So what, my Samsung still kicks your phone’s ass. Anytime,anyday.

  • Akshay Waitforit Doiphode

    it is so fun to watch apple fanboys and android fanboys fight as a 3rd person :( , windows phone 8 ftw! :)

    • Gorgonphone

      thats sad^^^

  • iRaj

    Samsung = Dumb

  • seyss

    and you ppl dont like when I say these dog eaters are profiteers

    • Gorgonphone

      wow

  • batongxue

    It is Shamesung.
    What do you expect from it?

  • Patrick

    and there’s crappy android for you, IOS is the best

    • Gorgonphone

      yup android just sucks

  • chuchurocket

    I have 3 games in my laptop that uses and requires the dedicated graphic card and higher clock speed. Everything else including typing this right now in firefox runs at lower speed with onboard graphics. I don’t see a problem with that

  • Vincent

    Typical Scamdroid and Shamesung

  • blastingbigairs

    Benchmark scores don’t mean sh** anyway, who cares. The GS4 is just another cheap plastic Android device that will be eventually be replaced by an even more plastic version next week. Boring!!!!

  • Carlos Franklin

    This topic is soooo stupid and a waist of time, I guess Cody didn’t have anything else important to post.

    What’s the big deal that for bench-marking Samsung’s phones runs at a higher speed opposed to running apps. It makes sense to throttle down to conserve energy/power. Samsung S4 is powerful enough to run any app without having to step up its processor speed to its full speed.

    I have a note 2 overclocked to 1.8ghz, stock 1.6 (sorry apple fans, you can’t do this on your iphone) I don’t see any difference running stock vs o/c with any game, but it does make a difference when it comes to power consumption and bench-marking.

    SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS TOPIC!!!!
    Samsung cheating???? Give me a break!!

    Come on guys, stop wasting our time and bring something more interesting to the table.

  • YoYo

    Of course the falsifying of test scores matters. This is wrong and Samsung has no need to do this. It might increase some sales, sure, but speed is not something everybody considers (although, I personally know of many people who first ask how powerful and fast the phone is before they proceed). However, not everyone needs this. I have an S4 that is amazing. I have no problems with it. I’m a proud Samsung fan.

  • Saria Hajjar

    Gorgon… am not disagreeing but i think its rude to give your opinion like that.
    offer you opinion nicely so people would listen to you… they look at this comment and say “look at this guy, making a bad picture of him self and the company he is representing”
    (i like iOS and apple more because the company created both of the products which made them acknowledge what are the powers of the products and make more possibilities)

  • aditya

    man! you rock :D

  • Manish Rana

    ;)