As often, MG Siegler hits the nail about Apple’s nonexistent lack of innovation:

One question during the D interview was about if Apple had stopped innovating. After all, it’s been so long since the last truly innovative product, the iPad, came out. Um, the iPad came out three years ago. Three years! Guess how much time there was between that product and the last “truly innovative” product, the iPhone? Three years. Guess how much time there was between that product and the last “truly innovative” product, the iPod? Five and a half years.

Newsflash: true innovation takes time. Apple has by far the best track-record in recent history when it comes to such products. But how quickly we forget how long each one took to come to market. There needs to be a Turn so we can appreciate the Prestige. But screw that. We want more, better, faster. Cue Louis CK.

  • TeddyBearStand

    I wish they would innovate in a way that makes the iPhoneiPad’s half price.

    • klouud

      The Apple brand is branded as a “premium” brand – its part of Apple’s economic strategy and precisely why Apple’s business plan is recession proof. When the prices come down to bargain levels you have to compromise – we don’t buy Apple products because they are trendy (well most of us) we buy them because they are premium – If I wanted a cheap piece of junk I’d buy an Android or a Windows PC.

      • TeddyBearStand

        I really don’t think the Nexus 4 is a piece of junk. I am just thinking, if most of the high end android phones drop to a low price (lets say $100 even) in the future, most people are going to switch teams. Hell, I would!

      • klouud

        The HTC One and GS4 are impressive pieces of machinery. But… most androids are throw away phones. the reason why Android is dominating the market is because any piece of crap can run it. Thats my point. Again, I’d rather pay a premium in exchange for not having a headache – I did that for years with Windows and I’m done – why would I want to save $400 on a computer in exchange for inconvenience and a constant headache – same goes with Android. I’ve owned one and while it is a fun project platform – its not a good daily driver IMO.

      • TeddyBearStand

        I guess its all choice; if you have the money that is.

      • mehrab

        Nexus 4 is not junk cos its pure google and android
        And google is making money out of ads they dont make money from the hardware. Oh and another thing the nexus 4 is the best android phone to me and i have used many androids

      • Marly Marl

        How can the nexus 4 be the best with no 4G

      • mehrab

        Its cheap. Thats kinda all i have

      • Kurt

        Check out “Pantech Vega Iron”…it’s only sold in Korea. But it’s got a 1080p screen which makes my 4S’ beatiful screen look fuzzy. I was so shocked. It’s edge to edge bezel is what we have been dreaming of. What a phone! But I’ll still get the Note 3.

      • mehrab

        Hah the 1080p thing never happened to me but yeah that phone is a feature phone it wont even sale
        I know you like android so um yeah i dont want to go like bla bla get the iphonen5s and stuff
        But okay note 3 sure? wait and for a nexus phablet/nexus 5
        I have owned many androids and the only android phones i liked were from the nexus family

      • Dan

        Not all android phones are junk, some are considered premium (GS4/Note 2/HTC One etc), they just cater to a different clientele. I’ll admit the build is not the same quality (HTC One exempted) but the OS does a lot of things IOS doesn’t (ie: torrenting, customization options). It all comes down to what you want.

      • klouud

        I already said that – the flagship Androids are rather nice – the cruddy thing is: a new flagship comes out every 3-6 months from multiple companies, so support is never guaranteed. This is the biggest negative IMO when it comes to the Android platform – it all comes down to firmware and software support – does your device have it and if so, for how long. But yeah… it all depends on what you can and can’t live without – jailbreaking IMO completely levels the field – all the strengths of an Android with none of the drawbacks – but again – this is all subjective.

      • Kurt

        You didn’t mention anything about ROMs. Hmm, I wonder why?

      • klouud

        Because I hate ROM’s – iPhones are soO much easier to theme when it comes to the nuts and bolts. Each ROM has to be either pre-contructed by some dude or you have to bake it in the kitchen thingy online.

      • Kurt

        I’m using cyogenmod on my touchpad to see how i like Android. its great. You just sound biased for no good reason. I’ve been using iDevices since iPhone OS 1.1.1 and Android is much better than iOS now. But certain apps are inferior on Android. Hardware and OS is better in the Android world but the most important of the three is apps. and the appstore still reigns king. But there are enough that I’m willing to try out android this summer when I make the switch.

      • klouud

        Yes, the HTC One and GS4 are putting out better benchmark numbers than the i5 – but go figure, they are 6 months newer – and the i5S will best them both when it comes out – why? cause its newer. Hardware is not really a good argument point because it is pretty much irrelevant due to everything not being released at the same cycle time.

        Biased for no good reason? No… for me, iOS is vastly better. I see Android as a fun little project platform, not suitable for daily driving. iOS at its core is a much more solid platform – yes Android is more customizable and has awesome features right out of the box, but when you want to do deep customization, iOS is the better choice – Android requires a “rooting” much like the iPhone requires a jailbreak to fully unlock the potential, so I don’t see the difference.

        But again – its what you can and can’t live without that makes the difference. For me, there is no argument – iOS may not be perfect, but it is simply the best choice that we as consumers have at out disposal.

      • Kurt

        actually, hardware wise i was just referring to aesthetics, i should have been more clear. Android phones used to be pretty ugly. Now I think they are the best looking phones. Sony Xperia took cues from iPhone 4 with the glass back. Aluminum is a terrible idea as it scratches and chips and even bends. So I would never get the iphone 5 or htc one. But Xperia is one attractive looking phone.

        I don’t think people should compare hardware between different OSes, cameras and fine but RAM/Processors have a lot to do with the OSes. iOS is so basic and restricted that it’s not important to have 2 gigs of RAM. Unless you jailbreak and want features. The way I see it, iOS is just a baby OS, crippled and can’t do much. Android is the present and future. Past was clearly Apple’s.

        If you love a glorified app launcher(iOS) use it. It opens apps very well.-just a fun jab. I’m looking forward to having an Android device. I think now is the time. since Jellybean Android has surpassed iOS in quality and of course features. It will be fun to learn a new OS. I just hope there are not a lot of apps that are worse on Android. Yahoo Weather has none of the extra features/data that we have on iOS. The salivate imagery was particularly useful to me last week.

      • Kurt

        Have you ever seen the “Pantech Vega Iron”? I finally got to see a 1080p phone. I was really shocked at how it makes my 4S’ screen look blurry. I really love the edge to edge bezel too. Gorgeous phone. Very cool how you can tell it to wake up, open the camera app, take a picture, show the picture taken all without pressing a single button. Future keeps on getting cooler. Though, I don’t want any of my tech, perpetually listening to me

      • Guest

        I agree. apple’s brand is premium.

  • klouud

    Yeah, now that Apple is on top of certain markets – people expect unrealistic things from them. Funny.. people don’t put such high expectations on Microsoft or Google – and both make inferior products… hmmm… go figure.

    • s0me

      What about the iphone 5? Its basically the same as the 4s.

      • klouud

        Really? Really? You don’t see how your comment just proved my point? SoO… what about the GS2-4? They are all pretty much the same thing – under your logic. How is that not different? See what I mean. You can’t work miracles on a yearly basis. Phones are really just small computers after all – we can bump spec’s and add features – but when it comes down to it, thats pretty much what every company does – Apple, HTC, Samsung, all of em. I don’t see why Apple is the bad guy when everyone is doing the same thing. Apple can’t be the all magical industry leader 100% of the time – its just not logical.

      • Pitchy

        iOS has not innovated in years. Anything that is new is stolen directly from the jailbreak community or Android. OOOOH! but hey, they are going to flat looking icons, truly astounding innovation right there. It’s not like Windows Phone 7/8 went with that flat look before… but it’s Apple, so they always get credit for inventing everything.

        All I want to see is iOS do something truly original and exciting. That hasn’t happened in years

      • Kurt

        Which features would you like to see in iOS. realistic/unrealistic all welcome

      • Pitchy

        When I jailbroke my iPhone, I was amazed at what could be done. Such simple things like a case sensitive keyboard which should be such a common sense thing, but the iPhone keyboard is always in a CAPS LOCK mode, despite having Caps/Shift enabled or not.

        SBS Settings where you can turn off certain things on the fly.

        Widgets. I know this is a controversial thing when talking about iOS… but damnit, I like widgets.

        Another one of my favorite jailbreak tweaks was the live weather. It really bothered me that the default weather icon always showed 73° and sunny, yet the calendar icon was dynamic and showing you the day/date. So if you can have a dynamic icon like the calendar, why can’t the weather icon update to show you the temp and conditions? Again, this is such a simple common sense thing.

        More customizations. Currently the only thing you can really customize on your phone is ringtones and backgrounds. This falls back to widgets, but then again, installing other fonts, deleting stock icons that you may never use such as News Stand etc. Themes would be nice… even nicer themes based on time of day would be really cool.

        There’s so many things going on on the Android front that it makes an iPhone user envious. Perhaps I want more out of a phone than what iOS allows and that an iPhone is no longer for me. I shouldn’t have to jailbreak my phone to accomplish simple things.

      • Kurt

        We think alike. I want what you mentioned from my phone. I also want split screen. I can see myself using it very often. many times, especially on the subway, I wished I had it. Widgets are great. I love tiles too. It’s great not to have to get into an app to get some basic info. It’s interesting to see when each time you look at the widget or tile and it’s a little different. I’m not expecting much from iOS 7. Each year it’s been a let down. I wonder if fanboys will admit it this year, or say the same each year and say its a good update and next year will be even better.

      • Pitchy

        Split screen on the iPhone would not be that beneficial to me. The overall screen size seems too small for it to be appealing. It looks great on a Galaxy Note, and especially the Galaxy tablets… so it would be a great thing for the iPad. Split screen on the Galaxy S3/S4 would be about as fun as it would be on an iPhone… the screens just seem to small to be useful. It seems more like a tablet feature than a phone feature. But that is simply my opinion… It would definitely be nice to have that as an option in case I ever needed, but I doubt Apple will ever bring that to fruition.

        Tiles look great on Windows Mobile. I am probably in the minority on that, but I think Windows Mobile looks fantastic. It’s different and unique… it seems very fluid and if they get to the point where Metro tiles sync seamlessly between phone, desktop and tablet, then they will have something awesome going on.

        One of the first things I did with my jailbroken iPhone was to install the HTC Sense widget so I would have clock and weather. I could never get the animation addon to work, but that was ok… it was just nice to have that on my homescreen. I would get a lot of confused looks from people who had iPhones when they saw mine 🙂

        Another tweak I liked that Apple should have included in iOS would be Infinifolders. I have a lot of photography apps and being limited to 12 apps per folder meant I needed multiple Photography folders to include everything.

        Of course, all of the stuff we have mentioned is already commonplace in other systems like Android, WM7/8 and of course the jailbreak community. Yet if they make their way into iOS 7, we will once again here in the keynote how Apple innovated these features and was the first to truly bring them to market.

      • Pitchy

        I completely forgot to mention Gridlock, Dashboard X, Barrel and Color Keyboard. I love those as well 🙂 Also like having weather show up on my lock screen. Barrel is not for everyone. My wife hates the animations when swiping between screens.

        Also, it would be nice to see something like Swype for iPhone. The one I tried in Cydia was a miserable failure.

  • Boss

    Q: Has Apple stopped innovating? A: No they’re just copying other companies now need someone like Steve Jobs back

    • Chindavon

      Oh ya sure. Apple has thrown in the towel. Get real.

  • Rickm_jr

    I can see why people would want things faster. If we make faster technology, we can use that faster technology to make faster technology. Like, the better we get, the better we get at getting better. Or even, the more we know, the more we know we don’t know.

  • wonderboydave

    Its because Apple had Steve Jobs back then. It’s consumers and stock holders had more trust in him then anybody else and innovation wasn’t the question back then but what was to come. The magic is just simply fading away…

    • Chindavon

      Not fading, but rather not introduced yet. If you call innovation a Galaxy S4 with 3-4 models of it in the same calendar year, then you’re just as blind and naive as the other hemDROID users out there.

  • mav3rick

    They stopped carrying about nothing else than their greed and arrogance. They’re becoming a behemoth sitting on a pile on cash with nothing to give. Their iSheeps got blinded by their dumb, featureless eye-candy iOS, which is just about to lose even this last single attribute, becoming flat looking. No features and flat simple color coded design: really “genius” move. But they’re removing the non-sense 73 degrees marked on Weather app icon and adding some clouds: great innovation! LOL
    iSheeps lured also into senseless mind sleep with “give us your money, we decide about what you need on YOUR very expensive device YOU bought from us”. But as many came many already go… to more freedom of choice and customization… Even the Devs started to move. Own the device; be free to do whatever you want with it!

    • Well said +10

    • felixtaf

      Agree to your thoughts. But calling people names jus bcoz they own a device that suits them, is not nice…

      • mav3rick

        I am the owner of couple iDevices. I lined up for hours at their door to pay the full price on their product. I was looking especially after their top build quality. And iOS has (or had, will see soon) something from the same quality, overlooked details on its skeuomorphism, very nice transitional animations, running smooth and not being overloaded, in a word catching your eyes very fast. But when actually I was trying to use the device itself it became a long string of frustration: almost everything if I was trying to do past buying and opening apps it was not possible. Anywhere I was looking for answers it was the inevitable: they don’t allow this or that. Even small things like not to spend seconds going into Settings every time to switch a feature on / off, reminders limited to 5 min. increments, no mute icon, etc. More, Devs. don’t have access to basically anything which is their stock apps: not even to snooze alarms from different app; really? Why when new iOS ver. is out they’re sticking in your eyes the red label on Settings? OK, new iOS is out but I just want to hang on the one I have. Especially when they remove features, like it was with the Google Maps (their Maps is a joke). Then when in their store asking for some iOS features I was sent to speak with their engineers.

        I was referring to iSheeps to those following blindly any of their stupid decisions how one should use his device. Praising “A is great!”. If somebody wants to call me iSheep, I’m not getting a bit frustrated. They are there to make lots of money and they exist because of users. Not users exist because of them. I know I paid the device, spent a lot online in their store and I should be allowed to really OWN the device. Not be kept in their realm of “we take your money to make the decisions for you”.

        Perfect satisfied that JAILBREAK EXIST. And that’s why we are all here, right?

      • rosssimpson

        “They are there to make lots of money and they exist because of users.” – This is basically any company though? They’re their to make profit, earn money and have a “cult following”, just like those people who shop at Tesco, prefer LG TVs and like Beats headphones better than any other. People have different preferences, just becuase they like something else from another person who preferes android (lets say for arguments sake), really doesn’t make them “iSheeps”, if this was true you could call people who shop at Tesco, “TescoSheep”, people who prefere LG TVs, “LGSheep” and the rest who like Beats headphones “BeatSheep”. It’s called running a business and having a fan-base. Like every other successful company, in the world.

        Other than that though – I agree with what you’re saying elsewhere.

      • mav3rick

        Thanks.
        They’re the one driven by the beliefs as: “Customers don’t know what they want, we are giving them what we want.”, “Give us your money to decide for what you should use.”.
        They are the one pulling key features available when buying the device and pushing users to up(down)grade, pulling apps with tens of employee behind with no real explanations, pulling podcasts listened by tens of thousand in a blink without even noticing the broadcaster. And doing anything they want only because the they created a lame “cult” which as a cult is followed by sheep. Look even here and you’ll easily see comments like “… is great because they are not coming with actually nothing new and improved on using the devices but they surely have behind a great idea…”

    • RarestName

      I immediately lose respect for those who throw the Fandroid/iSheep card. It makes them no less than an insecure Internet bully who makes fun of others to feel better about himself.

      • mav3rick

        Not looking for your respect in particular. But please see above.

      • RarestName

        I mean, I agree with your comment, except for the name calling part :3

    • mehrab

      If the iphone was a piece of junk ppl consu,ers wudnt invest so much on apple
      Oh and btw just so you know the iphone 5 has the best overall design camera and oercormance os app store then any other smartphone htc one/gs4 if you want to you can share with me why you wud thing what i said up there might be wrong to you

    • Chindavon

      “They’re becoming a behemoth sitting on a pile on cash with nothing to give”?? That made me laugh. There would be no Galaxy, no HTC ONE, no WP8, without the introduction of iPhone in 07′. You’d still be flipping phones. HemDROID homers live where the sun don’t shine and need to get out and pay respect to their ancestors.

  • Curt

    iOS is getting boring. They need to re-innovate that.

    • Mohamed Nasser

      ios is getting boring ?! just jailbreak 😀

      • Dan

        yeah but people shouldn’t have to jailbreak to enjoy their device. The need to jailbreak is a clear sign that something is missing from iOS

      • Curt

        I do Jailbreak, but I also agree with Dan. I recently lost my iPhone 5 jailbreak because I had to get a replacement and it came with 6.1.3 unfortunately. Not having a jailbreak right now is really showing me how bland, boring and uncustomizable iOS really is. I don’t know much about Android but some of their phones look really appealing. Like I said I don’t know much about Android but it seems with Apple you buy a great quality device with blah software and with Android you get a lesser quality device with more free and open software.

      • Dan

        Yeah in my opinion that’s pretty much the trade off. I know that my Note 2 doesn’t have the quality build of an iPhone, but I like the fact that I can do pretty much anything I can on a PC. I do hope that IOS 7 surprises me though, I was so stoked when IOS 5 came out.

  • Liam Mulcahy

    apple is great so shut up Siegler

    • TeddyBearStand

      lolz didn’t read it

  • n0ahcruz3

    All they’ve done up until now is put “retina” on everything lol. No real innovation. I hope they will surprise us at WWDC.

    • n0ahcruz3

      Oh and made the screen longer or should i say taller which is still dimunitive compared to other smartphones.

  • FCBKris

    Y’all don’t get it ?
    Apple is playing the smart way/business way.. Taking 1 step at a time they aren’t risking it.. What I’m trying to say is that apple ain’t risking nothing when it comes to new technology.. They take the time to work with 1 project … They don’t take that risk… I believe they are playing every move the smart way .. The money way..

    • mav3rick

      Look at AAPL – Google stock. Thinking that Google are not after the money? And look what new products Google comes out. More, they are pushing them over iOS,,,

      • Franck Kamayou

        Google stock is driven by a lot more than Apple’s… Apple is focused and depends mostly on its material products. Google is just huge! Android is just a fraction of what they do.

        And by the way, take a look at Google glasses and how long it’s taking for this innovative product to come out.

      • mav3rick

        True. AAPL is not anymore driven by much. Other than greed and arrogance… They indeed depend on many others but kicking everybody.

    • n0ahcruz3

      Tell that to samsung. In the tech world if u stop or slow down innovating you will sink fast. Like what happened to nokia, sony, Blackberry. Apple has a fierce competitor and thats samsung.

      • Chindavon

        Sammy is over saturating themselves and it’s only a matter of time.

  • onebyone_

    Q:Has apple stopped innovating A: I want a John Ive as CEO, he got the same passion as Steve Jobs.

    • Agree. But probably not the same competence, I guess.. Just talking about successful ideas. One out of 1,000,000 comes out with a different mind. Steve was one of them. Jony’s got talent, sure, but probably not as much as Steve.

  • @sexyhamthing

    to stop innovating, wouldnt they have had to in the first place?

    • Mustang5Oh

      Seriously? Hate Apple all you want but don’t be an idiot. Without the iPhone and iPad phones and tablets wouldn’t be where they are today like it or not.

  • cmmb

    cnmb

  • Michael Crabtree

    I’m not going to say they stopped innovating, but they have only expanded upon previous innovations. The iPad was an expansion on the iPhone; the iPhone an expansion on the iPod. I would like to see something beyond expansions.

    • Chindavon

      I’m sure it’s a soooo easy to make game changers year after year. Just because other companies keep throwing all kinds of mud on the wall, and one or two sticks, you feel they are doing you as consumers a favor. You just got your brand new shiny GS4 and a month later, three other models/SKU of GS4 show up!?

  • kyussmondo3

    Completely agree with this article. Samsung released a bunch of stuff with the S4 and will continue to. However, how many of these features are actually necessary? A: Very few. As a result a 16GB phone comes with 8.8GB of space. People are lured by the numbers and when the novelty wears off they realise that they only end up using the same old features that are on every other Android and iPhone already.

    • n0ahcruz3

      S4’s features may be a bit gimmicky but atleast they’ve innovated gave consumers options unlike apple who only made the screen taller added a row of icons on the home screen. Samsung is the innovator right now and apple is playing catch up.

      • Franck Kamayou

        Samsung is not really innovating, not because they add gimmicks that we are going to call it innovations, like said above, most of these features are useless, hence not innovations IMO. People don’t realize that when Apple release features or products, they want every bit of it to be useful. Even in hardware they innovate but people often don’t see it.
        Not saying that Apple always succeeds, Siri for example was a flop.

      • n0ahcruz3

        And what features did apple add to iphone 5 that is innovative?

      • Franck Kamayou

        never said that the iPhone 5 was a huge innovation, but what they release are usually not gimmicks, plus the iPhone 5 really focused on reengineering the hardware, I will take a lightning connection over a hand waving unlock.

      • n0ahcruz3

        Exactly why would i buy a iphone 5 when my 4S does the same thing as the iphone 5.

      • Franck Kamayou

        For the same reason you wouldn’t buy a S4 when the S2 does the same thing except for the “look away pause”. Most of the time Apple manages to release new phones while not trying to force everybody to upgrade… All these “mid upgrades” are for the fans and the wealthy and for the sake of delivering expected upgrades. I am sure a lot of people are satisfied with their iPhone 4 today. Actually, the iPhone 4 was the last innovative iPhone because again, it just doesn’t take 6 months to release something thought throughout (Moore’s law).

      • n0ahcruz3

        You comparing S2 to S4 really? S4 has 1080p 400+ dpi quad core 4.99 inch 13 mp camera. NFC. S2 doest have those things.

      • idownloadblogreader

        Stretching an inch and throwing few pixel to display and camera doesn’t mean innovation. Re-read the article, they brought iPod, when you were carrying a bag for a walkman and a bunch of CDs. They brought you the iPhone, when you were flipping your phone and hitting a number three times to get a “Letter”. They brought you the iPad, when you were bored of carrying a 2 kg laptop. You moron. If they had made galaxy before iPhone, i would have agreed upon your comments.

      • n0ahcruz3

        Profanity name calling isnt allowed here. We’re having a good debate here. And by the way this isnt pre-ipod era. Its about smartphones.

      • idownloadblogreader

        I never said this is a pre-iPod era. And by the way, the article’s about Innovating. Have a firm grip onto your comments. You seem like a die hard fan of samsung, which is not good for a healthy mind. iPhone and Android Phone, they are one’s personal preferences.

      • n0ahcruz3

        Im not a fan of any platform.. Im currently using a 4S. Im a tech fan.

    • Chindavon

      Yep. And when someone that just bought a GS4 yesterday, three new GS4 models introduce! FTW??

  • Ash

    Interesting article. Very interesting when it presents the facts in the way it has.
    Question in my mind of course is: When is the next product coming out and what will it be?

  • Chindavon

    I see this as a cross-country race. Out of the gate, Sammy and Google sprint past Apple, laughing and making fun of how slow they are and throwing out commercials comparing features to make them look like they are soooo hip and cool. While Apple knows, this isn’t a sprint, and their competitors will soon run out of gas, while they keep on pace. Sitting back, and watching competition over saturate themselves. As the finish line gets closer, they dig in and sprint to it. Passing Sammy and Google with their latest game changer. Competition is bent over, gasping for air and can barely walk. Strategy folks.

    • mav3rick

      They’ll never have the spread and power of Google.

      • Chindavon

        Never say never.

      • mav3rick

        They might could, buy their peak is gone…

      • Chindavon

        Until the next game changer they introduce.

      • I sort of agree with you, but the better question is: do they want to? Can they make this relationship somehow work for the better of the community instead of themselves? If they find that happy medium, imagine the possibilities…

  • Guest

    Apple has always been innovating.