It definitely feels like it’s going to be a while before the iPhone throttling scandal goes away.

Jim Cramer from CNBC says Apple’s unfairly become a punching bag and a political target after Senator John Thune demanded answers from the firm about its disclosure that it throttles performance of older iPhone models with flagging batteries to protect their stability.

Here’s what Cramer said on CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street”:

Apple’s become a target. It’s so big, they’ve really become a punching bag. And I find it interesting because there are a lot of companies that do a lot of things that are not necessarily pro-consumer. Apple’s become so big it’s become, ‘Wow, let’s attack Apple.’

They’ve become countries to some degree.

When you see Apple and everyone has one, you’re tempted to say, ‘Wait a second. There is something that is wrong with this device that everyone uses?’

Here’s the video.

As we reported, following last week’s investigation by a French watchdog, Apple is now facing questions from government officials in its own country over the iPhone trolling practice.

Senator John Thune (R–S.D.), chairman of the Commerce Committee, sent a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook seeking some answers. In it, he wrote that Apple should have offered the battery replacement service for free to those affected and asked the firm if it explored offering rebates to customers who paid full price for a battery replacement before the discount.

Image: Apple’s iPhone Smart Battery Case

  • askep3

    Feel like this has gotten bigger than the damn exploding batteries in the note 7

    • Rowan09

      Exactly and it’s such a joke.

    • PeterBlood

      Not even close. To think so would be the height of disingenuousness. The Fandroid ranks took it in the shorts and are stilllicking their SamSplode Note 7 wounds and overdoing it on this non-life-threatening issue intentionally. There is no comparison to Samsung’s screwup which was and is far graver.

      • Where was the nearly 1 trillion dollar lawsuit against Samsung then? The whole point of askep3’s comment is that Samsung’s blunder was far worse than this, but Apple is being treated as if this is the worst crime in the history of smartphones…

      • PeterBlood

        There were and are legitimate class action suits against Samsung for the exploding Note 7. Any 1 Trillion suits against Apple will be summarily tossed as patently ridiculous (I can’t find any such suit on any legitimate news page).

        Essentially I was agreeing with askep3 and it is a ludicrous situation (and the courts will eventually disappoint a lot of these ambulance chasers).

        Your point is…?

      • Sorry if I misunderstood your point. When he said, if feels like this has gotten bigger than the samsung fiasco and you responded with it’s not even close to being as serious and there is no comparison… I got the impression you were in disagreement. So once again, sorry if I reached the wrong conclusion and read something you didn’t intent into your message.

        As for the lawsuit, while I haven’t looked into it myself, iDB has reported on a 999 Billion dollar lawsuit at least 3 times now so if you’re interested if finding it this site might be your best best. (I just rounded up). But yeah I don’t believe it will make it anywhere in the court system either lol.

      • PeterBlood

        No problem. The legal idea of basically bankrupting the biggest company in the world over a battery modulation issue on older phones with weak batteries or that these numbskulls incurred much in the way of egregious inconvenience or a life threatening situation is pretty hilarious. Disingenuous & greedy lawyers and clients overreaching much? Judges will be slamming their gavels down fast & hard on their heads in much needed enlightenment for wasting the court’s time.

  • PeterBlood

    Exploding phones precipitating a total recall and cancellation of an entire model (SamSplode’s Note 7) are far more egregious.

    Apple does get unfairly criticized and the Fandroid like to disingenuously pile on in their trøll posts, completely ignoring and forgiving of the truly major problems in their own backyard.

    Why should Apple just give away batteries? Just because they were attempting to modulate the performance of older phones with slowing batteries? They should’ve made this an opt-in thing but they don’t owe anyone with an older phone a free battery as that is what happens to every battery powered device and is up to the owner to replace the battery, or upgrade the phone. As it’s been for like 70 years.

    • h4nd0fg0d

      It’s the principle behind how Apple handled it, end of story. They are a billion dollar corporation. Shady choices Apple.

      • PeterBlood

        It was not deliberate subterfuge like how Android manufacturers and Google work. Yes it was a dumb oversight and how they handled it was to explain what they did and offer up cheap battery replacements even though everyone knows battery’s always need eventual replacement. Much ado about nothing except fuel for disingenuous, rabid Apple H8ting Fandroid.

      • Rowan09

        I think they didn’t say anything because they knew the reaction, like they are seeing now. I could understand their reason.

      • PeterBlood

        If they had a clue this type of reaction might’ve occurred they would’ve been out in front of it. What company wouldn’t?

        This is something Apple’s Legal Team should’ve caught since it had legal consequences though ultimately all of these ambulance chasing money grabs and frivolous lawsuits will be tossed out.

      • M_Hawke

        The only “rabid Apple H8ting” I am seeing in posts here on iDB are from Apple fans who bought new iPhones because of this.

      • PeterBlood

        Sorry but if Apple fans are complaining who bought new iPhones that doesn’t make a lot of sense. The iPhones in question only gradually lose speed as the older battery wanes. I think it’s a disingenuous case of “Thou doth protest too much” and hoping for a free handout of something.

        They could always return the newer phone and buy the same older phone with a new battery in it. But they won’t. People rarely replace their iPhones having a slight reduction in speed, especially today’s phones with their much better processors and overhead. Frankly I doubt that many people even noticed the slowing down but are happy to jump on the band wagon of outrage if it can yield a buck. Ultimately people have to be brighter about replacing batteries every two years at least.

        Bottom line is Apple should have been more forthcoming to customers about what happens to iPhones with an old battery and all this folderol could be avoided. Even if their intentions were good about prolonging battery life.

      • M_Hawke

        I completely agree with your last paragraph. (Sorry, I skimmed over the previous ones.)

  • AAPL.To.Break.$170.Soon.>:-)

    Apple’s harmless battery-saving software update seems to have blown out of proportion to something larger than Samsung’s dangerous battery problems which actually caused physical and property damage to users. The news media is definitely going after Apple for such a ridiculous thing out of sheer spite. You’d think Apple had an oil spill or released toxic chemicals into the atmosphere. Not a single person has been harmed. Apple has already said they would replace the battery for a lower price, so why waste time with dozens of lawsuits. Plaintiffs asking for thousands of dollars of compensation for a slowed iPhone seems like a total scam. Any judge granting such high compensation when no physical or property damage has been incurred doesn’t belong in the court system.

    • I am

      Apple is guilty, full stop. Note7 situation is different, Samsung didn’t do it knowingly. Apple did it knowingly, if you open your eyes and ears, you will know that.

      News Media: As wrong it may be, its the way of life. When you are as big as Apple, the paper waste bin chucked out by janitor at Apple’s smallest supplier will be scrutinised. News media use it to their advantage. Fact of life, can’t complain about that Apple has to just live with it and it looks like they are, not sure why other ppl are burning up on Apple’s behalf.

      You are forgetting the fundamental point here. Apple modified users phone without their consent. That is the main point. While the suitors may be asking for millions of dollars in compensation may be wrong, they are definitely accountable to govt. Not to mention the possible gain they got by users opting for new iPhone instead of new battery. Going back to ppl suing for millions of dollars, I would say that’s Apple getting taste of their own medicine. Have we forgotten how hard Apple went after the guy who found unreleased iPhone 4? It was Apple’s descretion as to how annoying it was for them which decide how hard they go on that guy. Why would iPhone users not have the same desecration.

      • Rowan09

        We’re speaking of the coverage and yes Samsung did know about the battery issue and released the phones anyway. It’s funny how when the Note 7 situation happened it wasn’t a big deal and this battery situation which I’ve yet to see the effects of it by the way is or seem bigger than what happened with the Note 7.

        Should Apple have told customers yes, was it to get people to buy an iPhone 7, SE or 5 I wouldn’t say that (only 6-6s devices were affected). This is blown way out of proportion if you ask me and it’s always that case with Apple.

      • Jerry

        Apple should just stop supporting new OS to these older phones so they can stop crying and have their “fast” phones working

      • Rowan09

        Lol then they’ll sue saying it’s not fair.

      • M_Hawke

        Do you have a citation that Samsung knew about it before hand? I couldn’t find one. Only found that they offered replacement phones without fixing the problem and the replacement phones also exploded or caught on fire. Nothing about prior knowledge.

      • Rowan09

        Samsung knew their was a battery issue and released the phone early just to one up Apple. Did they know the phones would cause fires like it did, I doubt that. Plus as you said they gave replacements without any fix and gave so many different reasons why the issue took place. I could only imagine if this was Apple what would have happened to them as a company. Remember Antennagate with the iPhone 4 how that was blown out of proportion. Hey Apple is number 1 so they should expect this love hate relationship, but they are treated way harder.

      • Jerry

        Samsung didn’t do it knowningly? They f*cking rushed that phone out for the sales before Apple released theirs and didn’t care about quality control.

      • M_Hawke

        Care to provide a citation for that? I just did a search for any such thing that they knew about the problem before shipping and found none. The closest I could find was how they botched the recall and that they told customers to get replacement phones that also exploded.

      • Wait… when PeterBlood said “what Samsung did it did do knowingly. It had taken production shortcuts and failed to do proper quality control but played the odds at customers risk” you said “Spot on, all three of your paragraphs”.

        When Jerry said “They f*cking rushed that phone out for the sales before Apple released theirs and didn’t care about quality control” you asked for a citation and then suggested that he was implying Samsung knew about the problem before shipping?

        Why the different standards for two people claiming essentially the same thing?

      • I am

        Because those are fundamentally two different things. Lack of quality control could have resulted in a lot of things going wrong. What if battery was fine but it had screen issues. Yes what Samsung did was wrong but it was stupid. Btw, like many Apple fanboys say all the time “ppl had the option of not buying Note7”. Users affected by Apple’s debacle had no choice and it’s their own “geniuses” who recommended to buy a new phone and many ppl did.

      • you obviously didn’t read those two quotes carefully… The first says that Samsung took shortcuts and failed to do quality control. The second says that Samsung rushes their product and didn’t care about quality control. It’s the same sentimate expresses in different wording. I was asking why there was agreement with one and not the other.

        I have no idea how you got out of those two statements something about what Apple and samsung did after their perspective issues. In fact the only time Apple was mentioned in those quotes was that samsung was trying to rush to beat them to launch. So please, your comments are more than welcome but next time if you’d do the courtesy of not derailing a conversation and staying on topic that would be appreciated.

      • I am

        Still, that doesn’t mean they knew battery was going to explode. Also I still can’t understand what doesn’t this have to do with Samsung. That’s like a child complaining “oh but he did it too and he got away with it” when caught red handed. There were tons of lawsuits against Samsung as well.

      • M_Hawke

        Spot on, all three of your paragraphs. The following comments are obviously total Fanboys.

      • PeterBlood

        No no, Apple is simply guilty of an oversight. You can’t prove it was done internally for malevolent purposes. And what Samsung did it did do knowingly. It had taken production shortcuts and failed to do proper quality control but played the odds at customers risk which is far and away the more egregious by a country mile.

        Modification without consent? Are you nuts? Every computer operating system iteration has modifications “without consent.” As a user you’re only choice is to upgrade or not.

        These ambulance chasing lawyers will not see a dime. Nothing to see here. Apple will not get “a taste of it’s own medicine.” How little you know the facts of anything you’re talking about. Your conclusions are specious and biased and totally without merit.

      • El Conquistador

        i believe Apple had users consent when the user opted to upgrade and clicked agree in EULA. And no one said they had to upgrade

      • Dhaval Brahmbhatt

        But it wasn’t in the EULA. That’s the point. Otherwise Apple had an easy way out saying “but you agreed to it” and wouldn’t have reduced prices of batteries. You know well Apple will do ANYTHING to not reduce their profits.

      • El Conquistador

        Were people required to upgrade? I may be wrong on EULA as I didn’t read it fully.

      • I am

        Also are you saying it is customers fault of upgrading?

        Wow seriously? Do you know how much Apple brags about their latest software being on more than 90% of their devices within x many months? They basically nag ppl to upgrade so much, half the ppl are like ok fine just do it then.

      • El Conquistador

        I believe all of these comments prove the authors point and I agree Apple should have been more transparent. My point was Apple didn’t force the upgrade it was a users option, albeit one the fanboys want (in order to be the latest and greatest). Whether you succumb to nagging or peer pressure is not anyones fault but your own. Again I agree the lack of transparency is the issue.

      • I am

        Oh you agreed Apple made a mistake ? !! I am honoured man. They can’t unload on others like Microsoft for forcing updates down users throats and then think “but when we do it and if the update goes wrong, it’s the users fault for installing the update.” I think that’s the standard level of hypocrisy that’s in Apple’s DNA. Which unfortunately trickles down in to its fanboys ?.

      • I am


      • No people arn’t required to upgrade. Unlike Microsoft that forces updates whether you want them or not, Apple asks you every time and gives you the opportunity to opt out.

      • So Apple is guilty of modifying a phone without a user’s consent huh? So when a user sees that an update is available (which according to the patchnotes “improves power management during peak workloads to avoid unexpected shutdowns on iPhone.”). No consumer in the world consented by clicking the button to download the update or clicked the “I agree” button in the eula that pops up? Huh… guess I’m the only one then…

      • I am

        No you are not the only one. There is a whole community out there so don’t worry. I must say you have some deductive powers because you obviously knew that “optimising power management during heavy workloads” actually meant it will throttle CPU.

        It isn’t what Apple did that’s the problem. Why can’t you understand that? The problem is they did it without explicit consent of the user. Can’t believe we are having this conversation. Apple themselves admitted to their mistake and every aspect of it.

        They are reducing the price of battery proving they should have communicated that recommending replacing battery was the real solution. They also said they will be more transparent about shit like this going forward, proving that’s what they should have done and that they violated trust of the users. The whole conspiracy of doing it to get users to buy new phone instead of replacing the batter is different conversation altogether. They put themselves in such a position by doing that the conspiracy theory has all the proof it needs to be true.

      • If agreeing to install an update isn’t consent then I don’t know what it (at least this isn’t Windows 10 that forces you to install updates whether you want them or not). And it’s not like Apple had a choice in the matter either. Power brownouts are serious issues that can irreversibly damage electrical components. And if the failsafe kicks in (which kills the phone outright to try and avoid damage) during an update it could brick the phone.

        Telling the CPU that it can’t ask for more power that the battery can safely output is just logical common sense. The ONLY wrongdoing in this situation is that Apple didn’t educate their employees that slower phones may be due to aging batteries and as a result some people bought new phones instead of new batteries.

        What I can’t believe is that this conversation is being positioned as an issue of consent… Microsoft isn’t the only company that forces updates on users. And the fact that Apple allows you to opt out of upgrading at any time kind of nullifies the whole consent claims.

      • I am

        Who said Microsoft is better about updates? They are worse abt it.

        A small for consent, how many ppl would have consented to install the update if they were told it will slow down their phone, before hand? Only a small minority of iPhone users who are Apple fanboys. Remember that majority of iPhone users are average customers.

        You keep harping on about technical aspect of it and not understanding the bigger picture.

      • You’re not reading my statements (this is now the second time I’ll have to request that you read them carefully). I only did that MS forces updates whether people want them or not. No one besides you said that they were better at updates.

        And now the irony is that you’re going on to prove my earlier points. Only a small number of consumers would have opted to slow their devices. This means by your own admission most consumers would have made the very dumb choice to ignore the fix and run the risk of destroying their phones just for the sake of speed. I think you’re justifying Apple’s actions the longer we talk.

    • h4nd0fg0d

      It’s the fckn principle mate.

      • What principle? Anyone who read the resealed notes to iOS 10.2.1 would know that apple added power management to prevent phones from shutting down. Or is the principle that fixing problems that can damage your phone are as horrible as exploding batteries?

    • h4nd0fg0d

      Still not sure why you even give a shit. You got Apple in yo mouth, lol.

  • zebonaut

    Thune should be investigating the business practices of the current Thug n Chief. This is a Diversion

    • M_Hawke

      Oh, brother.

    • I am

      Haha brillaint. You are right, while we are all in a tech community bitching at each other, that bastard is destrying the world. If he has his way, there won’t be an Apple or Samsung to defend ???

  • Byambaa

    Apple is guilty for that. Only iSheep do (or try) not to believe it. They say it was a feature, why apple does not announce this “feature” in their wwdc, homepage or in whatever, they are known to list all of their new features. Second, why their apple store and genius bar workers do not tell nothing about replacing the old battery improves the performance, instead recommends to buy new iphone, when people asks about their phones poor performance. Every explanation and excuses are coming after this “feature” is red handed. That is the fact.

    • PeterBlood

      Only Fandroid gSheep fail to ignore truly serious issues like exploding phones endangering lives and planes. No sense of outrage there, but a slight battery/CPU slowdown on old iPhones? Omg, it’s the end off the world!

      This is a big nothing in the scheme of things your agenda wants to make a big something. It’s bad enough that there are God only knows how many Samsung Galaxy Note 7 units still out there. I don’t see you talking about them. That would be playing against the home team eh?

      Explanation maybe but not an excuse. As Hanlon’s razor states: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” Apple simply should have thought it through better and made it an opt-in situation.

    • This feature was released in January 2017, as part of ios 10.2.1 and wasn’t planned back at their WWDC. How do I know? Well one simply has to look at what was going on around that time to tell. At the end of 2016 tens of thousands of people were experiencing random phone shut downs at 20-40% battery life. Apple investigated and discovered that the root cause was due to older phone batteries not being able to output enough power under load (something called a power brownout). As this can cause permanent damage to electronics, brick your phone or cause you to randomly loose power Apple immediately released a fix that told the CPU it could not ask for more power than the battery was safely capable of delivering.

      My guess is that since the intention wasn’t to slow down the device (although that was a side effect) Apple didn’t bother to train their genius bar staff to check battery health for slow iPhones. Oh and as a side note, not every feature in a major OS release is announced at WWDC or on their website. There are lots of cool new additions or tweaks that sites like iDB find and share that Apple doesn’t announce (simply because there just isn’t time).

  • Jurassic

    The question here is not that Apple did anything wrong in making iPhones with failing batteries last longer on a charge, and avoid unexpected shutdowns due to the failing battery’s low current. The question is why Apple didn’t inform people that it was making a change to improve the user experience, by avoiding unexpected shutdowns on iPhones with failing batteries by slowing the processor to accommodate the inadequate current provided by the failing battery.

    But that question should be followed up by asking how many times has any operating system updates, from ANY developer (including Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.) included a special notice to the user of EVERY code change made to improve the user experience.

    The answer is that this is NOT a common action, and that users would be inundated with a deluge of information if any developer made a point of notifying the user of ALL code changes with each update, and the effect each would have to improve their user experience.

    Unless someone prefers to have their iPhone with a failing battery shut down unexpectedly, and NOT be useable for a longer time (which no sensible person really wants), then this whole issue (and some people’s “indignation”) is totally senseless.

    • M_Hawke

      Your last paragraph conflicts with the sentiments of the second sentence of your first paragraph. In reply to your last paragraph, I would say that of course, no one wants their phone to shut down unexpectedly. But by golly, if Apple knows why it might shut down unexpectedly, then why didn’t Apple tell the consumer that?!!! And why didn’t Apple tell the consumer what it was doing about it?!!! (Your sentiment in your first paragraph.) “Totally senseless? I think not. You can read a few posts here on iDB on similar articles of how a few of these “indignant” consumers actually did just that, buy a new phone. And they are ticked!

      • But Apple did tell their customers that. iOS 10.2.1 had this line in its release notes, “It also improves power management during peak workloads to avoid unexpected shutdowns on iPhone.”. So correct me if I’m wrong, but that sounds like Apple stating that they are managing power to avoid shutdowns…

        I can understand though why people didn’t read those release notes. They were 2 sentences long and seriously… who has that kind of time on their hands?

      • I am

        Contradicting yourself. If no one reads the EULA, why not just say the truth? Just say your phone will be slower.

        “Managing power to prevent shutdowns” is same as “throttling down CPU”? That’s like when u take ur 5 yr old BMW 540 series car to garage saying my car shuts down often and the mechanic says “you know ur car is old may be u should buy a new one but I will see what I can do” and he returns you BMW 180 when u go to pick it up and he says there u go it won’t shutdown anymore.

      • Who said anything about the EULA? (Although is someone agrees to a legally binding document without reading it that’s their problem.) I’m talking about the patch notes which appear on the screen before installing the update and in this particular case they were 2 SENTENCES LONG!

        I’ll freely admit that only people who know lithium-ion battery technology on some level were likely to realize this meant a performance hit, but since the alternative was to have phones that could become permanently damaged it was something they had no choice but to do. What’s worse? A phone that runs slower over time or a phone that is ever increasing in its chances of burning itself out or bricking itself?

      • I am

        We are not talking abt “ppl who know about lithium ion batteries” we are talking about average consumer who knows “oh I have an iPhone” not even caring what make and model except when the sales guy explained them.

        Average user don’t have such knowledge and it’s the right of such consumer that Apple overlooked. Why do you think the Govt are interested in this? They don’t be care about how many new iPhones Apple may have sold due to this or sue Apple for some amount. If found guilty, govt around the world will change Apple with violating consumer rights.

      • Yes which is why I said that only people with that knowledge would be able to infer that. And again as I’ve stated to you multiple times now Apple should have instructed their store staff to advise people to replace batteries.

        But if we go full conspiracy mode and assume apple deliberately avoided telling consumers about this then it was probably the right choice. Consumers are kind of dumb and many would only see “your phone will slow down if you update” and reject the fix that could save their phones from frying out or bricking.

    • I am

      I see what you are saying. But let’s think logically here.

      1. The perception was already out there before this debacle that Apple slows down older iPhones when new ones are released. Apple runs its business on perception. Perception for their users that iPhones and other Apple products are better than others when we clearly know when it comes to features and technologies, Samsung has been ahead for years. But it’s the perception that wins Apple their business. It is inconceivable that’s they didn’t think about this when deciding to hide it. They couldn’t think that this will just add to the fire about Apple slowing down older iPhones when new iPhones are released? Even if they didn’t before, they were going to do it now AND hide it from users.

      2. What was the other option. The better option was recommending replacement of batteries on older iPhones. Apple would have raked in millions in battery replacement and everyone would have still loved Apple. So why didn’t they? They knew they don’t have enough stock. As we now know, no stock till March. Tim Cook is an operations guy. He loves efficiency. It means not making more stuff than they need to.

      3. Going back to your change of code and EULA, it’s not unpresidented for Apple to give users choice when they have made a change to the code. When something fundamental to the use of the phone changes, Apple has give the uses option to decide or notified. Look at iCloud integration or the upgrade to iCloud Drive or asking the user to chose whether to use standard UI or zoomed in one when you first start the iPhone etc. This change was that fundamental and did deserve notification to the user.

      • Lol, let’s think logically being followed by Samsung has been ahead for years means this can only be followed by good things. But staying on point, this wasn’t a decision from Apple to slow down phones. That was a side effect of a much needed fix that prevented phones from running the very real risk of permanent damage or bringing.

        As for your second point, you do realize that apple originally stated that the program would start in 2018 and then launched it early end of 2017 right? You also realize that Tim Cook has had to push back products repeatedly missing more launch dates than Steve Jobs did in only a few years right?

        Finally for your third point, comparing a feature that changes how big icons are on your screen is hardly comparable to a feature that prevents your phone from permanent unrepairable damage… Or do you propose that Apple put up a pop up saying would you like to run the risk of destroying your phone or having apps run a little slower? Please make your selection below.

      • I am

        Again, u r missing the point. You are defending the technical aspect of the issue and the issue being discussed here is how Apple handled the solution. I have no issue with the technical solution even.

        Bringing the programme ahead of schedule can only be out of shame and that’s more admission of guilt.

        I would rather want to know if my phone is going to slow down than deciding between icon sizes. I mean you would be fine with a slower iPhone while I would prefer to know why my phone slowed down by asking the almighty God Apple.

      • If you have no issue with the technical solution than you’re admitting that Apple did the right thing to slow down phones… So I’m not sure why this debate is ongoing…

        I’ve said repeatedly throughout these comment threads relating to this subject that Apple should have communicated this change to their staff. But if I accept your premises then I’d have to admit that if Apple deliberately hid this change it was a smart move as there would have been a lot of people that would have thought “You’re going to slow my phone?! I’m not updating to that!” and then if their device burned out they would have been furious at Apple anyways.

  • M_Hawke

    Well, what does one expect when you tout your company as being #1, as being “consumer friendly,” as being “the best in everything,” as being…utopia?

    • PeterBlood

      And therefore completely infallible? Get real. Do you make mistakes? Apple is all those things and this issue is but a blip. But please buy an Android phone if you think you’re getting a flawless experience there. Heh.

      • M_Hawke

        Haha Fanboys who take all comments so seriously and so personally. And by doing so, missing the entire point. Cracks me up.

      • PeterBlood

        You get a little twitchy with all the disingenuous, factually incorrect and vicious Fandroid types out there speciously attacking Apple at every turn and failing to look in their own backyard.

        Apparently you got an “A” in school when it comes to missing the point. The rest of us are not laughing with you but at you.

      • M_Hawke


      • PeterBlood

        Great to see you’re also laughing at yourself.

      • M_Hawke

        Great comeback! Congrats. LOL

  • I am

    Wow Apple fanboys live in a bubble!!