Since Apple announced his exodus last fall, we’ve seen and heard very little from Scott Forstall. Actually, we haven’t seen him at all, and the only time we’ve heard his name mentioned has been in skeuomorphic jokes.

But that could change next month. According to a new report, Mr. Forstall could finally be forced out of hiding to appear as a witness alongside Phil Schiller in a partial damages retrial between Apple and Samsung…

Apple was awarded more than $1 billion in damages last fall, after a California jury found Samsung guilty of infringing on its patents. Judge Lucy Koh later cut that amount in half, but this retrial could recoup some of it.

PCWorld reports:

“On Friday, the two sides filed a joint pretrial statement and lists of potential witnesses they may call. Apple’s list includes Phil Schiller, the company’s senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, and Scott Forstall, the former senior vice president of iOS software. Forstall’s departure was announced last October following the widely criticized launch of Apple Maps, which some observers said may have led to his firing. Both Schiller and Forstall also testified in the original trial.”

Of course, this is just a potential witness list. But wow, how awkward would it be to testify on behalf of the company that not only sent you packing, but essentially laughed in your face as they undid years worth of your work.

It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. The trial is scheduled for November 12, in front of Judge Koh at the US District Court in San Jose.


  • Brandon Miranda

    Uh oh..

  • Luke Johnston

    Why would he testify for the company that fired him? I’d be testifying against them if I was him

    • seyss

      Life is a little more complicated

    • Dallas Groot

      because the issue was there while he was working for apple

      • Jerry

        because at that time didn’t he benefit from the win?

    • JulianZHuang

      maybe he got benefits? in my company, a manager got fired but they were offered him couple months advanced salary. maybe apple paid him couple million to leave the company or early termination of his contract.

    • ✪ aidan harris ✪

      Because if he has any amount of respect left for Apple he’ll know how much these lawsuits against their competitors mean to them and how much they want to win and make their competitors pay for whatever it is they’ve done…

  • chumawumba

    This could get awkward

  • mav3rick

    “…laughed in your face as they undid years worth of your work.” This writer definitively forgot how iDevices got followed by the herd: due to eye candy true designed iOS up to 6. Not because of all blinding white screens with rainbow fluorescent look on failOS 7, forcing all apps to look the same but called “with clean interface”, many getting high on just colour gradient images calling them wallpapers.
    Some articles on here are getting very low. Flame starters, bashing competitors or singing praises to the pome.

    • Nate McKelvie

      I’m not understanding your comment. Do you dislike ios7 if so then isn’t the original article stating “undid years of his work” saying that apple fired him and undid his work. It’s not saying that ios7 is good or talking bad about forstall in any way, so unless you love ios7 ( which it doesn’t sound like you do ) then why are you talking bad about the article. Your comment seems to contradict itself, or maybe I’m just not understanding it

    • Melvco

      I’m having a hard time understanding your comment, but it sounds like there is some major miscommunication here so I figured I would try to clear things up. That sentence you refer to is not figurative, it’s literal.

      “but essentially laughed in your face”:

      Craig Federighi *literally* laughed at the skeuomorphic design from past versions of iOS while on stage at WWDC showing off iOS 7. “And Game Center, we just completely ran out of green felt.” You can watch it here:

      “as they undid years worth of your work.”:

      Apple employees working on iOS 7 *literally* referred to the new design process as “a much-needed ‘deForstallization.” Sure, a lot of the foundation that Forstall laid out in iOS is still there, but the green felt and woodgrain-touched design he spent years refining is gone. You can read more here:

      No flame starting or competitor bashing in this one, just calling it like it is.

      • Nate McKelvie

        I’m glad I’m not the only one who couldn’t understand his comment.

        And for the record, I love ios7

      • mav3rick

        Thanks for the links. Sorry if the comment was not proper.
        Still, the iPhones are were they are today extensively due to the pleasant eye candy looking design. I was draw in their store also because of the painted like look of the icons on the home screen.
        Laughing at the somebody’s work which made possible this huge success, or worse “in his face”, is at least lame.

    • JulianZHuang

      actually, i prefer ios 7 over the old ios. it look much better and younger.

  • Diego Gastón Milano

    I don’t agree with the “undid all the work he had done” part; things just change and evolve, that’s all. If no one can take that change is part of life and evolution, then that’s an issue. 😉


    I miss Scott Forstall. iOS father, he was like Steve Jobs, with visions, but Apple fired him as they got chance

    • ✪ aidan harris ✪

      Someone had to take the fall and as far as I know not everyone liked Forstall. Many reports suggest he was extremely close to Steve Jobs so you can likely guess what he’d have been like and probably put a lot of people under a lot of stress and pressure. Whether it was right or wrong to fire him I can’t say but what I will say is that Apple had their reasons for firing him.

  • Ron Rainz

    Personally, I never really liked iOS in its Forestall state. IMHO, Skeuomorphism was necessary in order to enable first time smartphone users to become easily accustomed to using the iPhone, because the “real life” textures made things seem familiar and gave the user an instant sense of understanding (kind of like – “Oh, its a notes app. I get it…”), but this design element wore out its welcome right around the release of iOS 5.

    While iOS 4 was still impressive as far as design is concerned, iOS 5 and 6 offered minimal (if any) visual changes, leaving iOS feeling stale and stagnant.
    I’m not necessarily happy with iOS 7’s “gay pride parade” look, but I will say that the added functionality and certain aspects of the new design (such as the transparent pull down and pull up menus, and the new lockscreen design) are a welcome change, and make iOS far better than in any previous version.

    People just like to bitch.

    Bitching: “We want new design!”
    – Apple releases radically redesigned iOS 7.
    More bitching: “We liked the old iOS! Bring it back!”.

    Can’t please everyone, but it seems that (all bugs and problems aside), the majority is pleased. Thats Apple’s bottom line.

    • Kyle

      I don’t like it, and I never wanted a change personally. I recently switched to android, so I could get away from the cotton candy theme. I loved IOS 4, 5, and 6, but not IOS 7. I am not being a fandroid or anything like that but I personally like the android look of the OS.

      • ✪ aidan harris ✪

        “…the android look of the OS”

        Are you suggesting that pre-iOS7, iOS looked like Android?

      • Kyle

        I am suggesting I like the android operating system look…