That’s right folks, the silky smooth Cydia alternative is back up and running. For folks who have been around the jailbreak scene for a while, you undoubtedly remember Icy. The dpkg installer worked similar to Cydia, but always seemed faster and more refined than its counterpart.

Since Cydia and Rock joined forces, there really hasn’t been any competition in the jailbroken app store industry. Icy is looking to change that by returning to the scene with a fresh coat of paint. Does it have what it takes to be a worthy challenger after being gone for so long?

If it continues to perform as well as the beta version does, I think Icy could certainly give Cydia a run for its money. The entire application feels lighter, quicker, and has a much more user-friendly interface. Sometimes with Cydia you could almost get lost in the menu system, but with Icy, that’s just not the case.

The new app store is being developed and maintained by Infini-Dev, and it seems like they’re pretty confident in their product:

“Icy installer was made by RipDev back in the 3.x times. It’s proved to be 5 times faster than Cydia 1.0. You can theme icy, icy can run in landscape, all working sources are set as default, there are no errors like “failed to fetch” Icy runs in your language, it is still faster then Cydia 1.1.1. and a lot more…”

Other than differences in speediness and design, Icy functions a lot like Cydia does. You can add sources, view recently added packages, and search for almost anything. Essentially it’s just a different portal to the jailbreak community, as it supports all working repositories (except for pirated ones).

To be fair, Icy is still in beta testing and may not seem so quick and nimble with a 100,000 users poking around. I’ve also noticed that there isn’t any advertisements hanging in Icy just yet, which could also change as the app installer matures.

For folks interested in trying out the new Icy, just add repo.ispazio.net to your Cydia sources and search for it. The new jailbroken app installer has already crossed 15,000 downloads. Infini-Dev says that they are also looking to offer Icy as an install option in future jailbreak software (like RedSn0w and PwnageTool).

What do you think? Can Icy and Cydia both exist, or will one ultimately prevail?

  • shinratdr

    As long as Saurik keeps on making lame, drawn out excuses instead of improving Cydia by including all the features that 3rd party installers have offered, then there will always be a place for alternatives like Icy. I’m installing it right now. I was so disappointed when Cydia bought Rock and then just wiped it off the map instead of incorporating some of it’s features, hopefully Icy won’t sell out so quickly and Saurik will be forced to improve & compete.

    Cydia is basically an embedded webpage, and until Saurik actually accepts this as a bad solution instead of making excuses for it, I’ll continue to be on the lookout for real native alternatives, as I do with ALL webapps on my iPhone.

    • Michael

      lets see you accomplish what hes done bro… no then shutup

      • shinratdr

        Bullshit argument. You don’t have to do to criticize. In fact, the two rarely go hand in hand.

      • JoeGazer

        Let’s see you post shinratdr’s exact post, as him, at the same time he posted it, then criticize him, “bro”. Eat a dick, faggot.

    • Michael

      english may help

      • shinratdr

        What does that even mean?

    • Michael

      “You don’t have to do to criticize”

      question sir is what does that mean

      • shinratdr

        Exactly what it says. “You do not have to be able to do something to criticize it”, more verbosely.

        I am not an actor, director or cinematographer but I have criticized movies. I’m not a singer, player or sound engineer but I have criticized music. I am not a game designer, publisher or programmer but I have criticized games. Likewise, I’m not a coder, jailbreak app developer or repo maintainer, but I’m criticizing Cydia.

        People seem to conflate criticism with demands. They aren’t the same thing. I have these problems with Cydia, I want Saurik to fix them and I’m vocal about that, but I’m not demanding anything. I have no right to demand anything. I’m just pointing out what are frankly obvious and glaring flaws that he refuses to recognize and saying “these things suck and will make me look for an alternative”. That’s not a demand, that’s the honest truth about the UX of your application from a loyal and frequent user.

        I’m just done sugar coating it. I tried that, directly to saurik himself. He just continued to spread FUD, so I figured being amicable simply wasn’t worth it. I’ve had tons of friendly interactions with developers, paying customer or not, this wasn’t one of them.

    • Michael

      Well put, I do agree there needs to be a change in the programming that Cydia is based on *like accepting every app no matter how stupid it is* But you must also understand that he is only one man, he didn’t have a team backing him up like music producers or film writers do today. He’s got his own life as well. Sure Cydia needs a revamp but how do you know he’s not busting his ass right now working on the best damn Cydia update we have ever seen. Patience bro patience.

      • shinratdr

        > But you must also understand that he is only one man, he didn’t have a team backing him up like music producers or film writers do today. He’s got his own life as well.

        Very much understood. However other one or two man teams, also with lives, wrote Installous, Installer, Icy, RockApp & Lima. All great examples of small teams doing something amazing with an App Store like app or DPKG installer alternative. They ALL have a better approach to an app store like interface and UX than Cydia, although they vary in overall quality.

        If Saurik wasn’t so hostile to 3rd party DPKG installers this wouldn’t be an issue, but he is. I suspect he will make trouble for the restarted Icy in the future.

        > how do you know he’s not busting his ass right now working on the best damn Cydia update we have ever seen.

        Because the best damn Cydia update ever would include ratings, an interface that doesn’t use UIWebView (you want this even if you don’t realize it, trust me), loading in the background or on demand, and Saurik has said to me personally that he won’t be implementing any of those things.

        Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can flip through his reddit comments and see for yourself. He thinks users can’t handle ratings, Cydia’s interface is amazing, and loading in the background or on demand is unsafe. It’s just not going to happen. Cydia will improve, but it’s development schedule will always be geared towards the benefit of Saurik & repo owners, not users.

        That’s fine. But as a user, I’m going to look for a DPKG installer that is user focused because that’s how I prefer applications to be. It’s free because you made it free not because I’m not willing to pay. Don’t use that as an excuse.

  • Jeff

    Doesn’t even work. Crashes the second I open it. Saurik will just buy Icy too, he doesnt like competition.

    • shinratdr

      It works just fine here, iPhone 4, iOS 4.3.2.

    • Jeff

      iPhone4 iOS 4.2.7 opens for a second and then crashes immediately.

  • c0edx

    Are you guys serious, do you know what it takes to run Cydia. You just don’t click a button and make things faster. No installer can come close to Cydia. You guys talk like you use Cydia every day for 5 hours. “It’s not fast” STOP crying like babys. WOW!!!! How many tweaks do you instal a day. (Shaking my head in disbelief)

    • shinratdr

      > Are you guys serious, do you know what it takes to run Cydia.

      Do you? Because it doesn’t sound like it. I’m not attacking his other projects in Cydia, MobileSubstrate, Veency, etc… just the quality of Cydia itself.

      > You just don’t click a button and make things faster.

      Correct, the other thing you don’t do is make excuses instead of listening to feedback from users. Why don’t we have ratings in Cydia? Users are stupid. Why can’t we have stricter policies regarding ads on repo pages? That’s up to repo owners.

      Yet, when a 3rd party client comes out, it always has these features and they work fine. Strange, eh? I’m not asking for a button to be pushed and a feature to appear. I’ve been patiently waiting for years for these features as have others, and he has repeatedly expressed no interest in them. All we ask is to allow alternate DPKG installers to exist if he insists on ignoring repeat & direct user feedback.

      > You guys talk like you use Cydia every day for 5 hours.

      I don’t use any app on my phone every day for 5 hours. The few times I have to use Cydia, I hate using it. Finding apps is a pain, the inconsistency between repo pages is jarring, there is no consistent listing of things like screenshots, no ratings, no search filters (flipping through a million themes to get to something useful is standard practice), repos are jam-packed with ads in every possible place, it’s constantly reloading without asking me, and on top of all that it’s interface is all UIWebView elements, so everything is slow as shit because it’s rendering a webpage every time you click a tab.

      > “It’s not fast” STOP crying like babys.

      You sound like Saurik. Keep blaming users, that’ll improve things. The only person crying is Saurik when users leave Cydia and he throws a hissyfit, spreads as much FUD as possible, and then when that doesn’t work, buys the competition.

      > WOW!!!! How many tweaks do you instal a day. (Shaking my head in disbelief)

      Believe it. Cydia blows as an app (great as a service, though) and all it takes is using even one well designed app store-like app to know what I’m talking about. Hell, even the PIRATES have a better app store than the jailbreakers, Installous is amazing compared to Cydia.

      • we are working on something that will contain all those features:

        Lima Installer.

      • Regarding repo pages: saurik has no control over that, only the people who host repos do. Furthermore, the other clients dodge that by not using a UIWebView, but that wouldn’t fly with Cydia becuase ads are how hosting providers make their money. However, your performance isn’t actually due to the UIWebViews, but due to the massive amount of information Cydia has to parse.

        Ratings are hard to implement because of the nature of Cydia. You want ratings, find a way to combine all repos into one, else they’ll just be a nightmare for anyone who has to maintain them.

        Pretty interfaces aren’t everything, either. That said, if you don’t like it, fork it and improve it, don’t just complain.

      • shinratdr

        @boxingsquirrel

        > Regarding repo pages

        Saurik has delivered that excuse to me personally, I don’t need to hear it again, and I don’t care. He needs to take a hardline stance against the excessive number of ads in Cydia. If other DPKG clients can do it, so can he. He just doesn’t want to deal with the flak from repo owners. But who the hell cares? They complain, it happens anyways, and then they move on. It’s not like they have another option.

        They want to pull their repos over it? Let ’em. They can write their own terrible DPKG app, have everyone hate it, then come crawling back to Cydia.

        > Ratings are hard to implement because of the nature of Cydia

        So change the nature of Cydia. Once again, not my problem. If Cydia was built on a foundation that won’t allow ratings or capping ads, then it was a pretty stupid foundation to build a mobile app store on then now wasn’t it? People say this like it someone forced Saurik’s hand. He made these bad decisions and now instead of trying to rectify them, he just has his army of followers make these excuses everywhere. I don’t buy it, sorry.

        > Pretty interfaces aren’t everything, either.

        Icy isn’t exactly pretty. Quite the opposite, I like it for it’s speed, functionality and lack of UIWebView pages or forced refreshes. For the record, Saurik thinks Cydia looks great and he is more delusional than his followers on this one.

        > That said, if you don’t like it, fork it and improve it, don’t just complain.

        Watch me. This a completely bullshit excuse that just serves to prop up my point. Yeah, there is oil leaking from your car, why don’t you change your own oil if you don’t like it. Yeah, a passenger is trapped in the door, why don’t you drive the subway if you don’t like it? Yeah, Cydia is slow. Why don’t you code it yourself?

        Maybe because I’m not a goddamn programmer? I am still a user of applications and I know when I hate something or when something is off, and there is plenty of that in Cydia.

      • shinratdr

        @theiostream

        Don’t I know it. I’m following very closely, keep up the good work guys! The progress on Icy is great and the Lima/fr0st installer sounds freaking amazing. I’m so excited.

      • Chris12923

        Totally agree with shinratdr. As well as Saurik doesn’t listen to users and doesn’t respond to email. I mean dont get me wrong i use Cydia and it gets the job done but I think icy is headed in the right direction and well just have to wait and see.

    • Use Icy at least.

  • Jeff and cody suk di-ck

    I see u got 1 friend request from your mom cody

    • Binary-Stalker

      Troll.

    • Binary-Stalker

      Troll. Try being productive.

  • Bud

    I’m still on 4.0.1
    Hey if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

    • on 4.0.1 our Icy works. RipDev’s stopped working on 3.x.

      Also, on this firmware ver you can choose between our and WeAmDev’s Icy (apt.robinofree.com)

      • sosumeh

        You seem to forget, ours works on iOS 3.0

  • Just saying, please know that this version of Icy is BETA, so there are still a few bugs.
    Also note that we are not selling ourselves, or turning ourselves to ads.

    Also there are reports on Icy not working on iOS 4.2.7 so send @Samtulp6_ or @ferreiradaniel2 a tweet about that.

    To end, if you have any trouble send bnmvco@gmail.com an email.

    Be sure to follow Icy and Lima Installer news. 🙂

  • Burge

    Cydia is fine the way it is …I’ve got no problems with it what so ever…but then again I’ve been jailbreaking since before 2.0 days.. Makes me laff when it’s said Cydia is slow ..try a 2.0 cydia…then tell me is slow now …cydia works and works well …just remember this is jailbreaking and cydia , icy , rock and even installer when it was out were not ment to run on these devices…and cydia does it best ..why ..cause it’s still there when you jailbreak ..the others are gone ..well almost ,icy will not be around for long . It’s been back before and went and now it’s back again ..

    • shinratdr

      That doesn’t make it the best, it just makes it the one with the most longevity. I just WISH I could have kept using RockApp, it really was the best. Fast, clean, ratings, search filters, a real application, etc…

      • Binary-Stalker

        Simple solution- if you and other people hate Cydia, don’t use it.

      • Binary-Stalker

        Simple solution- if you and other people hate Cydia, don’t use it. K?

      • shinratdr

        @Binary-Stalker

        Suggestion noted & already taken. Hence my praising of the restarting of Icy, there was no maintained alternative to Cydia previously if you hadn’t noticed.

        Also, that’s a crappy dodge. Next you’ll be telling me that it’s “just your opinion, man”. If you wish to don your rose coloured glasses and tell people who don’t like it to just leave, that’s your prerogative. You’re still being willfully ignorant rather than actually acknowledging the very real issues that are present in Cydia.

  • mripod64

    Cydia may be slow, but i trust it more then any other.

    • Beti

      Agreed

      • Why?

      • shinratdr

        @theiostream

        Because Saurik spread endless FUD about how unsafe Rock & Icy are. It’s worked very well, look at all the hostility I’m getting for making points that aren’t even controversial or disputed at this point.

  • appletiser

    for me the whole purpose of jailbreaking was choice, choice to do more or less what the hell I wanted with my device, not what Apple told me to. I used Rock over cydia, it was a sad day when Rock died as along with it went the choice and freedom from monopolisation. I wish Icy a long successful life.

  • Bud

    Well said.

  • Bullet933

    @Shinratdr

    I have the solution to your frustration. Connect your iPhone to iTunes and click on “update”. You’ll never have to deal with that slow @$$ Cydia again. Problem solved.

    • Daddy

      Well said

      • shinratdr

        How was that well said? Removing my jailbreak entirely is the solution to Cydia’s lack of progress? Fucking idiots, honestly.

    • Icy is compatible on versions os iOS.

      • ALL versions of iOS

      • Jeff

        Not on 4.2.7 it just opens and crashes immediately, I’ve tried it on 3 different iPhones now

      • shinratdr

        Jeff is right, multiple people have reported crashing out on Verzion iPhones. It doesn’t support the 4.2.x CDMA branch.

    • shinratdr

      No, that would cause me to lose my jailbreak & useful tweaks. I would rather keep using Cydia, look for alternatives, and not deliberately blind myself to what are obvious shortcomings.

      Yes, you CAN use something without being delusional about it’s quality. I know, amazing. You should try it.

  • Juan

    the one thing people fail to understand. if repos stop getting impressions, no money comes in to pay for bandwidth. if this happens, there’s no repo. If there are no repos, there is no jailbreak community.

    • shinratdr

      Right, and that’s why we need to shackle Cydia to UIWebView and have 2 ads per page and ads on every page. I don’t buy it. Repo owners are greedy. I’m not saying don’t have ads, I’m saying have one discreet ad per page & no more picture ads.

      I’m also happy to contribute in another way. If Cydia wants to offer a paid “No Ads” option like apps on the app store, with money distributed to the repos, I would be happy to pony up. I’m not even given the option, though.

      Either that, or take a little off the top of app payments like the app store. The current solution isn’t working.

  • Tek

    Is it just me or ICY doesnt come with any preloaded repos???

    Hmmmmmmm! Dont be hatin!

    • shinratdr

      It’s not just you, it doesn’t have preloaded repos.

      • Alec

        @shinratdr you have a good head on your shoulders, much better than any of the other idiots on here.. Im in the exact same boat as you, i absolutely HATE cydiaand all the confusion, slowness, and the seemingly random “reloading” or “refreshing” the page for no apprent reason. Im going to try icy, hopefully it will be much easier and not send me to a state of complete mindfuck when im trying to do something simple like downloading a page..

      • shinratdr

        @Alec

        Thanks! It was getting a little stuffy in here, nice to read your comment. Be sure you check out the Fr0st preview/demo within Icy. Hit the Home tab, flick down to where it says “Utilities” and tap the “fr0st” button. On that page, tap the “Featured” button at the top. Very exciting, maintaining Icy is just a holdover until they can roll out this fr0st project.

  • Haider ijaz

    I read somewhere that icy doesnt warn about compatibility limitations when installing softwares. How a good software is that it can easily screw up phones. I love cydia the way it is though i use it on iOS 4.2.1 on a 3G. I am happy waiting for a few mins instead of going for something new.

    • shinratdr

      It’s in beta right now, weirdness like that is to be expected. Doublecheck compatibility in Cydia before installing right now.

      • hating Apple not apples

        then whats the point of having the new faster installer if you have to use the old slow one to make sure its right?

  • Julio

    Please can you tell me where to download a free version of cydia for iphone 4.3.2 i’m new in this!

    • shinratdr

      You don’t download Cydia, and it’s always free. You install it as a part of jailbreaking your phone. To jailbreak, get redsn0w for iOS 4.3.2 here: http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

      Under where it says “redsn0w 0.9.6rc14” on that page, choose “OS X redsn0w” if you have a Mac or “Windows redsn0w” if you have a PC. Then launch it and follow the instructions in redsn0w. If followed correctly, your phone will be jailbroken and have Cydia installed.

  • Julio

    Please can you tell me where to download cydia i’m new in this!

  • Julio

    Please can you tell me where to find Cydia i’m new in this!

    • c0edx

      You have to Jailbreak your iPhone, when you do it will automatically instal. Google it!!

    • hating Apple not apples

      youll get a new icon
      if its cydia then your good
      if not click on it ant install cydia

  • c0edx

    Saurik contributed on making Icy… So its going to wind up being like Cydia. When I start Cydia it takes less then 45Sec. to load, whats faster then that. If someones Repo is down how is that Cydias fault. It has a great UI everything is well organized for a ordinary user. Tweak or any App authors need to add more detailed information on the packages, and yes I have asked Saurik if he will be adding some kind of user ratting system to Cydia but no response yet.

    Osama Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!! watch the news now!!!

    • shinratdr

      > Saurik contributed on making Icy… So its going to wind up being like Cydia.

      Not really. He isn’t working on it right now, so I don’t see why it would end up like that, the new Icy maintainers are taking it in a totally different direction.

      > When I start Cydia it takes less then 45Sec. to load, whats faster then that.

      Seriously? Anything that takes less than 45 seconds is in fact, faster than that. Lots of room for improvement there.

      > If someones Repo is down how is that Cydias fault.

      Because it forces me to constantly refresh instead of letting me do that on my own time. It’s not Cydia’s fault if a repo is down. If I can’t open the god damn thing because a repo is down and it sits there loading forever, that is entirely Cydia’s fault because I never asked it to reload. Just hold on to the information for 5 seconds FFS, Cydia is like a person with Alzheimer’s.

      > It has a great UI everything is well organized for a ordinary user.

      Yeah, arbitrary categories decided by repo maintainers, no way to list packages other than alphabetically, no way to filter things like themes, ringtones and wallpapers from searches, no ratings, ads everywhere, no consistency between the layout of repos, no consistency for changelogs or screenshots, constant reloading, etc… Sounds like a super user friendly UX to me.

      > and yes I have asked Saurik if he will be adding some kind of user ratting system to Cydia but no response yet

      I have asked him the same question and he responded, the answer is a resounding no. That applies to all my points.

      Shit the address is starting, gotta go!

  • Bytenapple

    Why all of the hostilities? Let it go and just realize one thing Cydia and Icy both have positive and negative aspects that can be approved upon. Icy is back in the game and quite frankly I am grateful for one reason…Competition. Whenever any company has no competition they can be slower to improve their products because they are the only viable option. Now once competition exists thay same companies good product can become great. This is the same in this case for Cydia. Cydia has improved in the latest update but all biases aside I think most of us can think of at least a handful of improvements that can be implenented. The one I find most important is a rating system. I hope the best for both Cydia and Icy and am ready to see them both reach their full potential.

  • Vince

    Now we need an “OSAMA IS DEAD” theme

  • Vince

    Now we need an “OSAMA IS DEAD” theme.

  • Why so many negative comments? if you don’t like it, Don’t use it! i spend days at making this to work and so did others, Icy is 100% safe, saurik just doest want other installers than icy.. Geuss howmany money he makes with cydia. also saurik did not contribute on icy, thats total bullshit. Would you like a installer full of adds more than one that doesnt? Tru repo’s earn money that way, but did i ever mention i wanted icy to be the main installer? No. so for the 23.000 people who are using icy now, thay will also use cydia with adds.. Stop bieing negative… I don’t earn one single dollar of this whole project.. i did it for the communitie.. And again there are people who are saying its not good and stuff… If you can do it better, proof it. Also Lima will be our big take on the installers, it fully works right from mobile safari, installs, removes, search, browse through all repo’s. This one will show the repo
    adds because we believe this is neccecary for the repo’s. also it won’t reload data or such stuff. Enjoy! – Samtulp6 Developer of icy

  • Why so many negative comments? if you don’t like it, Don’t use it! i spend days at making this to work and so did others, Icy is 100% safe, saurik just doest want other installers than icy.. Geuss howmany money he makes with cydia. also saurik did not contribute on icy, thats total bullshit. Would you like a installer full of adds more than one that doesnt? Tru repo’s earn money that way, but did i ever mention i wanted icy to be the main installer? No. so for the 23.000 people who are using icy now, thay will also use cydia with adds.. Stop bieing negative… I don’t earn one single dollar of this whole project.. i did it for the communitie.. And again there are people who are saying its not good and stuff… If you can do it better, proof it. Also Lima will be our big take on the installers, it fully works right from mobile safari, installs, removes, search, browse through all repo’s. This one will show the repo
    adds because we believe this is neccecary for the repo’s.

  • Why so many negative comments? if you don’t like it, Don’t use it! i spend days at making this to work and so did others, Icy is 100% safe, saurik just doest want other installers than icy.. Geuss howmany money he makes with cydia. also saurik did not contribute on icy, thats total bullshit. Would you like a installer full of adds more than one that doesnt? Tru repo’s earn money that way, but did i ever mention i wanted icy to be the main installer? No. so for the 23.000 people who are using icy now, thay will also use cydia with adds.. Stop bieing negative… I don’t earn one single dollar of this whole project.. i did it for the communitie.. And again there are people who are saying its not good and stuff… If you can do it better, proof it.

  • Why so many negative comments? if you don’t like it, Don’t use it! i spend days at making this to work and so did others, Icy is 100% safe, saurik just doest want other installers than icy.. Geuss howmany money he makes with cydia. also saurik did not contribute on icy, thats total bullshit. Would you like a installer full of adds more than one that doesnt? Tru repo’s earn money that way, but did i ever mention i wanted icy to be the main installer? No. so for the 23.000 people who are using icy now, thay will also use cydia with adds.. Stop bieing negative… I don’t earn one single dollar of this whole project.. i did it for the communitie..

  • Ben

    @Shinratdr

    Your not alone mate. I agree with you 100%. I hate ass lickers who think that you can’t criticise people’s works. People don’t understand the concept of ‘constructive criticism’. Saurik should be praised no doubt for the hard work he has done with Cydia but criticism needs to be allowed in order for him to improve and make a perfect application.

  • Paul from Melbourne

    For the record, I loved Rock’s interface and the queueing (that Saurik eventually implemented). I still don’t like the refreshing it does and locks you out from doing anything else (if only for a second or two).

    Also, from Chris12923:
    “Totally agree with shinratdr. As well as Saurik doesn’t listen to users and doesn’t respond to email.”

    It’s true, i’ve emailed Jay 3 times, posted on his Twitter and haven’t heard even a “i’ll get back you” reply, in regards to ToneFX Pro 2 not showing up as a purchase on the Cydia Store even though I already purchased it and now i’m using a different phone (the previous one had an appointment with some concrete !). And within the program page for ToneFX it says direct any queries to him.

    No good if there’s no service followup !

  • Rob

    I added repo.ispazio.net but there are no apps/ packages in the repo

  • @paul from melbourne, Tru, Thats why we are different, Lima and icy are on very many blogs, and yet im reading everyone of them
    to offer support, Jay wouldn’t. *Read the new post about lima on iphoneDownloadBlog* :d

    • c0edx

      The reason they can offer support is because there is less users on it. Imagine all the people that use Cydia, how do you answer all the questions. I’m imagining it will be berry hard to keep up.

  • Truther

    There was a reason why RipDev shutdown, and Icy in turn. It was bad. Several applications, even entire repos, would not install correctly if done through Icy. The number 1 purpose of an installer is to install.

    Only thing Cydia needs to implement is Rock style centralized back ups.

    • Please don’t say things you don’t know… Icy got dropped by ripdev because ripdev fel apart. There was a conflict in ripdev. Icy was and still is great, if you don’t like it, don’t go ruin somebody’s day.

  • jimbob

    iSpazio repo is long dead. It merged with bigboss. That’s why adding that URL does not work.

    Im a friend with BigBoss. So I can speak a bit for him.

    As for having no UIWebView in Cydia, not going to happen. This is what allows developers to describe their packages with screenshots nicely. It also allows for ads (yes, which we all hate). But ads are necessary as a repository does easily 100 terabytes per month or more. That sort of traffic is not cheap. While I cant speak for all repositories, bigboss uses the ad revenue to donate to jailbreak developers, hire a packager that tests all the submissions, etc. Without the ad revenue, there wouldn’t be huge repositories full of massive apps like there are today. Sure one would open up and it would think “I can do this without ads”. But as soon as the real workload and traffic requirements become evident, all that would stop. You don’t run this much traffic through something like dreamhost. STE tried that and got shut down by shared hosting companies. Also, running a major repository is a full-time job. No one will do that much work totally for free.

    Yes, Cydia is slower than Icy, but there’s a trade-off. Since Icy reinvents the wheel by implementing dpkg itself rather than using well-established apt, it has to manage dependencies all on its own. And it does a piss-poor job of that. Sure most packages will seem to install fine. But the complicated ones will either install incorrectly or not at all. Many users won’t know why things aren’t running well. Everything seems to install fine. Yet there are problems. Dependencies are often version dependent. Icy just doesn’t cut it for these things.

    Cydia has undergone some massive speed improvements and runs a lot nicer on my devices. As for competition in the installer category, this is really not desirable for platform stability. Most the packages that are interesting are system level tweaks. You dont want a hodge-podge of installers adding system level modifications. Most people really don’t understand the difference between apps and tweaks.

    As for filtering “dumb apps”, that has nothing to do with Cydia. There are plenty of “dumb apps” already available which shows that there is very little censorship.

    • hating Apple not apples

      seriously! there fast but unstable.

      its like if you put too much boost on a engine, it will tear it to shreds.

    • iSpazio isnt dead at all………
      They arnt a default source anymore, but they still are there and host icy.
      Also they never merged with bigboss…

  • Rob

    Not on biggboss either. Where cab you get the beta

  • Brandon Drewett

    Great, but my search doesn’t work.

  • Haider Ijaz

    It looks awesome. I just installed it. Great work guys. It just needs some good fixing may be that is because it is in beta things like Warning about compatibility issues. But really good job guys. You have done an excellent work. I just installed it today.

  • ian

    Thank goodness. I’ve been considering dropping iOS altogether because the jailbroken app store experience is so poor. This is just what I needed to stick with Apple.

  • search + remove bugs will be fixed on Icy 1.4.8, released this week, with bACKUPS!!!

  • dan

    Doesnt work on my ipod touch 2g mc model f/w 4.1. Crashes upon launch. Im fed up with cydia since the 1.1 update all it does is crash and respring my device when i try to update anything.

  • Julio

    How can i download cydia and whAt means jailbreak

  • Julio

    How can i download it and whAt means jailbreak

  • joolz

    I have a reason to dislike cydia: damn thing doesn’t work. Since restoring my ipod running OS 3.1.2 Cydia always crashes upon launch. This is a common problem for 3.1 users and yet this problem hasn’t been addressed by your god Saukirk. I have deleted the files in the var directory as instructed and it still crashes.

    Basically i have a jailbroken ipod that’s the exact same as the factory one. Wtf.

    Really looking forward to an alternative.

  • pelle

    For Joolz and anyone else having an old device that can’t get Cydia to work.
    Check this out: http://www.whited00r.com/?page_id=485

    I just installed it on my 2G, and it’s flying!

  • JoeGazer

    If all it does is give you another interface to load the exact same sources and apps, what’s the point? Icy either brings something new to the table or it will always be #2.