I Guess Geohot is Not Working on an Untethered Jailbreak After All

Sebastien, Jan 9, 2010

It seems that I missed a tweet by Gehot a few weeks ago in which he made it clear that he was not going to work on an untethered version of BlackRa1n.

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I don’t know if you remember but Geohot said a few weeks ago that he would give us an untethered jailbreak if he won some kind of contest. Well he lost! And we all lose too!

I don’t know how I feel about that. I mean, the kid is completely in his right to not develop an untethered jailbreak. But somehow, I feel like when you have such a great gift as he has, you kinda have a responsibility towards the community.

Again, he’s free to do whatever he wants but I think it’s very childish to say “I”l give you what you want IF I win this stupid contest” and have us hold our breath. Then of course we’re all disappointed when we realize that he lost the contest and he’s not going to give us what we want.

One thing is sure: the Dev Team will not let us down. The Dev Team will not play game with us and they will not have us wait and hope in vain. As I said in an article a few weeks ago, I believe the Dev Team is up to something and might very well surprise us.

What do you think about how Geohot is acting?

 
  • George Perez

    Yes they are up to something! :) they are porting Pwnagetool to Windows and going to release a new redsn0w and it will support 3.1.2 (head over to musclenerd’s twitter)

  • Juan

    @George: Why would they port Pwnage Tool and release redsnow? What MuscleNerd *is* doing is updating redsnow for use with Windows and FW 3.1.2..

    Also, I’m quite glad GeoHot isn’t working on it. His work is much too buggy.

  • Pierrick

    GeoHot has stopped to work on iPhone since a few months. And do on PS3 underground now.

  • Irha

    It is just ridiculous to talk about responsibility. Just leave him alone, he has the right to do what he wants. These comments are blowing out of proportion…

  • Eric

    Blackra1n was 50/50 at best. It never worked for me had to get a custom firmware (made by pwnage tool) and use ireb to install it. Be glad geodick isn’t working on it. And according to their tweets they are porting it.

  • Brian

    GEO is an A$$. Im glad he lost that stupid contest as the LAST thing we need is more buggy junk from the juvenile genius who cant tie his own shoes without messing it up.

    You are 100% correct. When he posted that he will do the JB IF he won some stupid contest, he was basically blackmailing people. “HELP ME DO THIS OR ELSE”..The guy is a JUVENILE jerk to play games like that. Trying to ‘hold people at his mercy’ using ‘blackmail’ tacticts.

    The guy is a JERK, plain and simple and he truly shows his age…..I hope he NEVER does another jb or ul again….It will be an epic failure like all his past BUGGY SOFTWARE releases.

    The JB community will be far better off without this juvenile nut. Can you imagine the DEV team telling people ‘DO THIS FOR ME or I WONT xxxxxxxxxx….’?? NEVER!!

    I hope GEO takes his balloons and finds happiness somewhere in the sandbox for 5 year olds….GEO is a JUVENILE JOKE!!

    We are far better off without him!!!!

  • Angi

    Childish? Maybe, but he’s a kid. Incredibly gifted in his understanding but let’s face it, The drive to do something for unselfish reasons generally comes later in life. As far as the contest, he didn’t want to “win” he wanted the 40 grand…as did I! Lol.

  • Ivanabanonymous

    I like Geohot and I’m thankful for all he’s done. And its ok to have a little fun with everyone once in a while. Also, what’s the big deal, tethered or untethered, does it really matter?

  • George

    He shouldnt have made that comment. This tends to have a childish attitude. If he decides not to work on the new rom its ok for me. Simply holding private life out of the community is essential which he did not do.

  • Brian

    Frankly, it makes me sick to see people defend GEO. His actions are that of a 5 year old.

    The funny thing is, his software is CRAP..PURE BUGGY CRAP….In my opinion, he is a NUT to ‘blackmail’ people when his software isnt worth the price of a balloon…Heck, as many devices as BR/BS screwed up, why would anybody want to use his stuff?

    Blackmailing people with the end result being him screwing peoples devices is sort of funny if it wasnt so sad ;>)

    Nobody should defend the actions of this juvenile clown…..The internet is filled with peeps who got screwed by BR/BS and he has the nerve to try to hold people ransom with that stupid balloon contest? Why so he can kill more devices by releasing more buggy crap?

    GEO – IF you are reading this….GO AWAY…NOBODY NEEDS YOU OR YOUR JUVENILE GAMES…Have you EVER seen the DEV team BLACKMAIL PEOPLE? NOPE! And they actually put out stuff that works and if there are issues, they are there for support.

    meanwhile, you put out CRAP and then MOCK those who used it and got BRICKED!! YOU ARE A CLASSELESS JUVENILE!!

    Go collect your balloons and go back to your kiddy sandbox and leave the real work to the adults…..

  • Albion

    Brian is funny how you pop up everytime there is somthing been said about geo. Anyway its a waste of time to argue with you because there is nothing constructive or worth debating with you. I want to speak for myself and let everyone now
    how greatfull i am to geohot for his work. It has made my experience with the iphone joyfull and worth lovin this phone. If it wasnt for geohot i would have given up my iphone long time ago.
    Once again thankyou geohot for your hard work and your time

  • 5uck3rpunch

    I just wished I didn’t donate any money to GEOHOT. I thought it was going to help him towards future development but I feel let down. I am also GREATFUL for what he has already done, but as smart as he is, why stop there? He’s a nerd’s ROCK STAR!

  • Reno

    Now you’re talking rubbish against GeoHot after you have used his blackra1n. You’re f*****n ungrateful bulls***ts!!! His jailbreak and unlock is the easiest and fastest and most stable of all. You just don’t know how to do it you freakin I don’t know what to call you…hipocrites maybe! And whoever said blackra1n is buggy well your brain probably is buggy because if you don’t know what you’re talkin better shut your face! I have unlocked a 16GB 3GS so easily which is still running very smoothly, and a 32GB 3GS recently. The very new 32GB 3GS turns to recov mode whenever the iphone is restarted or powered off as obviously the FW has been patched but you can easily reboot it using the same blackra1n and that’s it. As simple as that. Its all been explained right on GeoHot’s face if you would just click it twice. I have used many DEV TEAM’s unlocks but no one came close to GeoHot’s easy and smooth s/w. The Dev Team should accept they were beaten by GH at some point and GH has just proven himself. Sometimes it is not always right to say “two(or many)heads are better than one. That’s why I never had a second thought giving a donation for a job well done by GH or any body else. I hope he would not lose interest in finding ways to give us iphone users an easy life.

  • Reno

    @BRIAN

    I think you are bloody idiot! In what way had GeoHut blackmail anyone??? That is a baseless accussation and you could go to jail if not to hell for that. You should be the very one to go away-maybe to Pluto with your mucoid brain you moron.

  • kieran

    well he’s a dick!!
    blackra1n was very good when i had a 2g but now i need a new one for my
    3gs and he’s just being dick i be he has already made one just for himself!!

  • http://blackra1n.com/ George Hotz

    I lol so hard at crap like this. Seriously, the contest idea was simple, you help me, I help you. Didn’t care much about the 40k, cared way more about beating the colleges :-)

    People don’t seem to get that like only 10% of my life has to do with the iphone. My twitter bio is not “iPhone Hacker”, it’s just something I do when I’m bored. If I have a couple days to spare, and feel like it, maybe I’ll write an untethered jailbreak. But every person who asks me, and especially the ones who feel entitled to something, make me want to work on it less.

    Another thing people don’t get, I really don’t care about your problems. If theres a bug in my software, maybe I’ll look into it when I get a chance. But trust me, at least 95% of about 6 million people had success with RC3. Time investment just isn’t worth it for the last 5%. It’s not like you paid for the software.

    And Brian or “@hotrod1964″, you act as if I killed your dog or something. Still waiting on that donation btw…

    I’m considering charging for the next jailbreak/unlock, and actually providing good support. How would people feel about this?

  • chiaph

    I think all we could do is seat and wait for the next jailbreak either from Dev Team or Geo Hotz himself. There is nothing we could do since they’re more intelligence into such programming?

    I’d been waiting patiently for a untethered jailbreak for iPhone 3GS for months, and hopefully there is a real great surprise coming up. =p

  • madbutnotstupid

    You can’t expect someone to provide excellent support for something that is free. Even Windows XP & Vista is buggy and crappy but still it costs so much. You guys should probably thrash apple for the “crappy” iphone which needs to be jailbroken to unlock features.

    Geohot should probably charge $$$ if and when he does make a untethered jailbreak cos theres no point doing something good and not being appreciated. I remembered once, someone offered him money to do some unlocking or something. And whats the big deal with the balloon contest. Its not like you’re being held ransom that if you don’t help locate the balloons he’s gonna activate a “secret code” in all blackra1n jailbroken iphones that will rickroll all your devices.

    I used blackra1n rc3 and jailbroke my 3G in less then 10 mins.

  • Polemicist

    *sighs* What a bunch of … … people … …

    GeoHotz I actually have respect for… I also have respect for the Dev Crew and one hell of a lot of other people with the skills to do what they do … I’m an ex software cracker with a speciality in dongles so I appreciate the amount of time it takes to pull apart someone else’s work figure out what the hell it does and then put it back together but then create a patch or crack or keygen that will make what I do simple for the people who want to use it. I used to get complaints on release sites about stupid crap like “this app won’t run with this plugin cause it crashed when I did this … NOW FIX IT!!!1″ and it was that constant barrage of unrelenting crap that makes people just give up… How the hell are we supposed to account for every single possibility of hardware and software combinations on a single persons system? I didn’t devote my life to doing cracks for people. I found doing it entertaining and a damn fine challenge. That is the reason I was so damn interested in the fact that GH was looking into the PS3. That is a real challenge and so much more interesting than making a small handful of people happy cause they have an untethered JB… WOW it will save you from having to plug in and run blackra1n every time you reboot if you happen to have a 3GS in the serial number range of the iPhones with the new bootrom. Seriously how often do you have to reboot your iPhone?

    George Hotz and the Dev Crew donate a small amount of their FREE time to do something that interests them. They don’t do it to make you happy… They don’t do it so you can get shit for free… They do it cause it interests them… It is their free time they are wasting and having to answer to a bunch of whining asshats with the patients of freaked out monkey’s waiting for mummy to give them a banana is just a waste of even more of their free time…

    Leave the people who do this stuff for free alone. Make suggestions by all means but quit attacking them. If you poke them enough they will leave and in some cases the hole they leave is so large they won’t be able to be replaced. And if you really piss them off you might end up regretting your stupidity…

    Anyone that has worked in customer service knows that you are more likely to help the person that is nice and calm and reasonable and MUCH less likely to help the person that is screaming and swearing and hurling abuse at you… If it is in your nature to be the latter person then all I can say is piss off before you ruin it for everyone else.

  • chiaph

    @ Polemicist

    you’re right! ^^

  • David

    Geohot perhaps just charge for support. Brian in a moron our products are released first and the best.

  • Reno

    GH never charged anybody anytime. Some people just don’t understand simple English. Donating is never a compulsory thing to do. Otherwise he could easily do what the other techies are doing selling their s/w. I don’t mind paying money for something that would make my life easy and I can do things more interesting.We should just simply ignore assholes like that Brian and others who are just in-born idiots.

  • Kieran

    Now I feel like a dick…
    We just need to wate for gh’s jailbreak…
    I really hope it’s soon tho!! ;-)

  • Frankco

    i totally agree with most of the response here… i think geohot is just an absolutely nutcase… why bother come out with a tethered jailbreak when he is not going to develop a untethered jailbreak… even if he was to just win the stupid contest, the least he could do is come out with it out of goodwill and make the iphone community happy… no point of complaining about him anymore… we should all look forward to devteam in coming out with a untethered jailbreak for 3Gs… regardless if a new FW is expected to come out or not… we are not obliged to upgrade to the new FW…

  • Brian

    GEO says “Another thing people don’t get, I really don’t care about your problems. If theres a bug in my software, maybe I’ll look into it when I get a chance”

    Yes, we are well aware you dont give a rats a$$ about whether UR software is buggy & causes serious issues for many that tried to use it. U think your buggy crap worked for 95% of 6mil users?? LMAO. Dude, you are so off base it is pathetic. My numbers show it caused more issues for people than it actually worked for. Or do you think the hoards of people filling the blogs and forums talking about their issues are all me? LOL…Dude, you are way too high on yourself..for every 1 person that ‘praises you’, there are 2 that call it is they see it, as I do….Face it…You are nothing but a juvenile nut that enjoys ‘holding people ransom’, as it makes you feel more important.

    The DEV team has ragged on UR software as have MILLIONS…Yet you deny this? LMAO….Look how many people DID DONATE and now say they feel like they were ‘taken’ and wish they had never donated and never used your crap..yep, thats all a mirage right? All these people are ficticious?

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    Frankco said:
    i totally agree with MOST of the response here… i think geohot is just an absolutely nutcase…
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    kieran said:
    well he’s a dick!!
    blackra1n was very good when i had a 2g but now i need a new one for my
    3gs and he’s just being dick i be he has already made one just for himself!!
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    5uck3rpunch said:
    I just wished I didn’t donate any money to GEOHOT. I thought it was going to help him towards future development but I feel let down. I am also GREATFUL for what he has already done, but as smart as he is, why stop there? He’s a nerd’s ROCK STAR!
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    Grateful? LOL..for what? He took your donation happily. Why would you think it was for future development when he isnt even supporting his current BUGGY CRAP? A NERDS ROCKSTAR? LOL…I think he is just a juvenile nerd….he may be a rock star in his own mind, however.
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    George said:
    He shouldnt have made that comment. This tends to have a childish attitude. If he decides not to work on the new rom its ok for me. Simply holding private life out of the community is essential which he did not do.
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    Eric said:
    Blackra1n was 50/50 at best. It never worked for me had to get a custom firmware (made by pwnage tool) and use ireb to install it. Be glad geodick isn’t working on it. And according to their tweets they are porting it.
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    Juan said:
    @George: Why would they port Pwnage Tool and release redsnow? What MuscleNerd *is* doing is updating redsnow for use with Windows and FW 3.1.2..

    Also, I’m quite glad GeoHot isn’t working on it. His work is much too buggy.
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    Funny how somebody who claims he doesnt care has to show up here with more excuses and B.S…..To say your stuff is not buggy and worked on 95% of all devices, PROVES YOUR ARE FULL OF S*@T. Remember, even the DEV TEAM has RAGGED ON YOUR CRAP! Even they call it BUGGY with MANY ISSUES and even they RAG ON YOU FOR YOUR LACK OF CARING/SUPPORT…Do you think the DEV team is happy that their BLOG, the DEV BLOG is now the “BR/BS SCREWED ME BLOG”??? I think the DEV team is SICK that their GREAT blog is now overrun by people complaining about YOU!!

    To those that wish to defend this clown, feel free….Free Speech….however, dont anybody dare try to tell me what opinions I can post or not post as you are busy posting profane laced rants in the guys defense…You want to defend this guy..fine, that is your right to do so..just as it is everybodies right to say GEO’s CRAP SUCKS, which MULTI MILLIONS agree with!!

  • iPhone 3GS

    @ GeoHot

    “I lol so hard at crap like this. Seriously, the contest idea was simple, you help me, I help you. Didn’t care much about the 40k, cared way more about beating the colleges ”

    Did people NOT try to help you? You said yourself that the money didn’t matter to you so why not show your gratitude to those that did try to help you by helping them in some way. Even if its not the untethered JB, you could at least show some interest in helping those that are having issues with blackra1n RC3.

    Don’t get me wrong, you are entitled to do whatever the hell you want to do with your time. But when you put yourself out there for these people, you have to show them some love and support. You come off so arrogant 90% of the time that it makes people dislike you. Honestly, if these people weren’t so dependent on your skillz they would probably want nothing to do with you. Don’t you see that as a problem? If people don’t like you, they wont support you when it comes to making donations. I know there are people out there that are complete dicks and don’t appreciate anything anyone does for them, but that doesn’t mean you have to be just like them. Ignore the idiots and remember who matters most to you, the ones who do actually support your work and donate to you.

    my 2¢

  • Brian

    Well said iphone 3GS, but you are missing a key point. GEO has said many times he does not care about what problems others are having! Pretty funny watching him say it worked for 95% of 6million devices, when that is obviously not even close to being accurate, and in the same breath he flat out says he doesnt care if his stuff is buggy and doesnt care about what problems people have……

    The internet is FILLED with peeps who were screwed by his software. I mean you cant go anywhere without seeing people complain about the non stop issues with geos buggy crap….yet geo, as he sits on his high horse waiting to be knocked down, thinks these millions of peeps are all a mirage and do not really exist.

    Why did the DEV TEAM rag on his BUGGY STUFF? And yes, the DEV TEAM called it BUGGY with many ISSUES.They also told GEO he was slack to put out this BUGGY CRAP and then not provide support to fix the issues. I can see why DEV TEAM is upset. Have you looked at their blog lately? The bulk of the talk there is people asking what to do because they have 1 issue after another after using “BR/BS” . The mods are sick of telling people that DEV TEAM DID NOT DO THIS BUGGY CRAP and that people need to go to GEO for support…but the reason they keep posting on DEV BLOG is because GEO does not care about fixing bugs or supporting people with problems after using his BUGGY CRAP. If GEO did care (He ADMITS HE DOESNT!!) then people would not be filling the dev blog and every other forum with questions.

    GEO = EPIC FAIL

    Didnt he say if more people keep asking him to do another JB he feels less and less like doint it? Great..EVERY BUG THE HELL OUT OF HIM..BEG HIM FOR A NEW JB..That will ensure we never see his BUGGY CRAP again….

    GEO….Look for a nice donation from me….I have been working on it for a couple months..it should be ready for you soon..I hope you enjoy my donation to your cause..I put a lot of effort in to it.

    IPHONE 3GS says :
    (Did people NOT try to help you? You said yourself that the money didn’t matter to you so why not show your gratitude to those that did try to help you by helping them in some way. Even if its not the untethered JB, you could at least show some interest in helping those that are having issues with blackra1n RC3.

    Don’t get me wrong, you are entitled to do whatever the hell you want to do with your time. But when you put yourself out there for these people, you have to show them some love and support. You come off so arrogant 90% of the time that it makes people dislike you)

  • Polemicist

    @Brian

    Since you have taken it upon yourself to attack let’s see how good you really are. So far your statements are not based on fact. You have twisted words and blown stats out of proportion for your own ends. I can only assume by your comments that either GH slept with your mother or his JB caused a fatal issue with your phone. If it was the latter please tell us the story. I bet you did an update by accident to 3.1 and ran straight into the arms of GH on RC1 and instead of doing a full restore of your phone you left it with all your buggy non 3.1 compliant software on it that did not run unless the phone was JB in the first place. You put the JB in and something screwed up. Is that about what happened?

    You keep claiming that the DevTeam is ragging on GH’s software when in fact the front page states very differently to what you claim. Can you site a reference for your claim? Can you state what version of the software was being ragged on? Can you give a link to the comment. I assume the answer is NO so I will move on.

    You have stated that millions of people are ragging on GH’s software. How did you come up with this number? What statistical evidence can you provide to support your claim? Did you in fact go into every forum on earth and confirm that all comments made were in fact unique and then count them personally? Or did you just search for the word blackra1n and read the number of hits in Google.

    You seem to talk a lot but you are not actually saying anything. Your comments are infantile junk with no basis in fact whatsoever. In fact they could easily be considered slanderous. Either way your comments have proven that you are just not skilled enough at debate to sound less like a whining 13 year and more like someone with at least half a wit.

    I’m sure you will ignore my comments or not answer the direct questions within using any semblance of a calm and reasonable manner. I look forward to your response or lack of it.

  • Kieran

    Well I agree with you mate. But people are fed up with wateing for a 3gs untetherd jailbreak!!

  • Polemicist

    Kieran then the fed up people should revert to official software and complain to the people who made their phone or buy a Nexus One. Or maybe they should learn how to JB and make one of their own. The skills and the hardware to do it doesn’t grow on trees. Are you going to donate a 3GS with the new boot ROM to someone so they can take it apart and stuff around with it? Are you that rich? Do you even know what is involved? Do you think you can just snap your fingers and a hole appears and there is your new injection vector? Please forgive my sardonic nature but it can’t be helped under the circumstances.

  • kieran

    hey i was with you mate im saying they should treat gh with more respect thats what i was saying to him on twitter tonight…so you can piss off!!!
    i no its hard i no he gets nothing out of it and i dont think he wants anything out of it…. he just wants people to stop demanding it all the time!!!

  • Terraculon

    Yeah, blackra1n/sn0w works absolutely fine on a fresh 3.1.2. The Only big “problem” is the wifi bug.. And IIRC is not just tied to jailbreaks/unlock.

    REGARDLESS, GH still discovered and wrote a payload for the AT XEMN exploit.
    So even if you claim its “buggy”, without Geohot there would be no jailbreak for 3.1. On the 3gs.

    And like polemicist said, DevTeam SUGGESTS using Br/BS on their blog. And I can believe 90% of BR users having no problems. Easily.

    I love geohots arrogant nature, I love the work he puts out, and I love my jailbroken 3gs.

  • Polemicist

    Kieran that wasn’t aimed at you. Apologies for the mix up. Was a general thing. Bad moods don’t mix with public transport. :)

    Terraculon nicely put.

    Actually I would like to see the download stats off GH’s website. That would be amusing.

  • http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com Sebastien

    Thank you GeoHot and Polemicist for the constructive comments!

  • Gabby

    I couldn’t even read all the comments, they’re just rediculous. It’s crazy that so many people get all crazy & stupid about Geohotz JB. Blackra1n does exactly what it says it would do, untethered jailbreak & warns you’ll have to re-jailbreak after reboot. If you don’t like it, restore to original settings. It’s as easy as that, stop complaining & be grateful & THANKFUL for all jailbreaks & unlocks!!!

  • Timj

    I very much agree I think geohot is being very childish,and I guaruntee if he were stuck with a tethered jailbreak only 3gs he would figure it out. I never met someone with such skills as him to basically tell us to f@$k off and fend for ourselves, it’s very unprofessional. Then he calls us haters in newer tweets, what a joke. I truly hope the Dev Team helps us out but trully I don’t think they care either, which breaks my fingers to type. Would someone PLEASE helps us out? It has to be possible especially since the tethered jailbreak works. Sorry if I offend anyone just a little frustrating.

  • Eric

    Wow @sebastion. What did u start here. Lol.

  • thefallen

    These comments are just the echo of ungratefulness.

  • kieran

    @Polemicist its alright man :)
    i no what your saying and i have grate respect for GH…….

  • Brian

    Timj said:
    I very much agree I think geohot is being very childish,and I guaruntee if he were stuck with a tethered jailbreak only 3gs he would figure it out. I never met someone with such skills as him to basically tell us to f@$k off and fend for ourselves, it’s very unprofessional. Then he calls us haters in newer tweets, what a joke. I truly hope the Dev Team helps us out but trully I don’t think they care either, which breaks my fingers to type. Would someone PLEASE helps us out? It has to be possible especially since the tethered jailbreak works. Sorry if I offend anyone just a little frustrating.
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    Well said, but you cant be real. None of these people claiming the exact same things are real….We are all figments of our own imagination..or so we are being told by the so called ‘geniuses’.

  • Brian

    I’ll give you a response but it will be short (for me anyways…lol…) as I find it comical to watch someone say that GEO must have slept with my mother, amongst your other 2 pages of insults, and then ask if we can discuss this maturely. LMFAO…..

    Nope, GEO did not sleep with my mother. My mother passed away from MS several years ago (maybe you should think twice prior to making comments about a persons mother/father/son/daughter??…Shows how little class you have and why I wont respond to you after this response) Ditto to all the people saying I must be inbred while spewing profanities every other word (youngsters do read this blog….Think before you type…do you want your kids reading the tripe many of you are posting here?)

    I’ll comment on whats pertinent below

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    Polemicist said:
    @Brian

    Since you have taken it upon yourself to attack let’s see how good you really are. So far your statements are not based on fact. You have twisted words and blown stats out of proportion for your own ends. I can only assume by your comments that either GH slept with your mother or his JB caused a fatal issue with your phone. If it was the latter please tell us the story. I bet you did an update by accident to 3.1 and ran straight into the arms of GH on RC1 and instead of doing a full restore of your phone you left it with all your buggy non 3.1 compliant software on it that did not run unless the phone was JB in the first place. You put the JB in and something screwed up. Is that about what happened?

    –Nope, My cat did not upgrade my phone, nope, geo is not sleeping with any of my family members. Yes, I have tried to use BR/BS many times on many computers and on many devices. It was an epic fail, although none of the devices were ruined. As I have said many times, it worked for some, but did not work for just as many and even for many of those it did work for, they are seeing new problems arise everyday. If you do not know this FACT, then you seriously have your head in the sand. Just here on this 1 single blog post you have what 50% saying BR SUCKED and other similar comments –LMAO!!–

    You keep claiming that the DevTeam is ragging on GH’s software when in fact the front page states very differently to what you claim. Can you site a reference for your claim? Can you state what version of the software was being ragged on? Can you give a link to the comment. I assume the answer is NO so I will move on.

    –Once again, are you living with your head in the sand? Of course it is listed on the DEV BLOG..That is what the BLOG is for. But are you actually saying that they advocate the use of BR/BS or did you miss the past several months of posts where they are telling people with BR issues to get lost as the dev blog/team is NOT AFFILIATED with GEO or BR/BS and the DEV BLOG is not the place to discuss BR/BS? Yes, they are telling people BR/BS is an option, but NOT ONE THEY WOULD USE THEMSELF becasuse it is BUGGY, NON RELIABLE and was made by GEO who they say since his very first JB/UL that he does not test stuff or support it. Do you also deny that the mods and other members of the DEV TEAM/BLOG have said that BR/BS IS BUGGY and causes LOTS OF ISSUES? Do you deny them saying they would NEVER USE IT THEMSELF? Tell ya what..make it worth my time and I’ll go and get you links from their blog…Donate $100 to me and I’ll go and get you all the links you want. Deal?? Until then, I’ll just give you this to wet your appetite and there is alot more where this came from!! This is a single tweet from MUSCLENERD -@geohot hmm in all fairness, your hacktivation and youtube are broken, your cydia requires 2nd stage, and wifi broken on 20% of unlocked 6:43 AM Dec 12th, 2009 from web in reply to geohot- LMAO…Do you really wanna see more? –@geohot You couldn’t afford yourself…. 6:13 PM Dec 16th, 2009 from web in reply to geohot — This DEV TEAM guy seems to think geo is a bit ‘high on himself’….LMAO…..–@geohot eBook readers? Is that what you’ve been reduced too? Not sure why you want one but good luck. 2:13 PM Dec 13th, 2009 from web in reply to geohot –REDUCED TO e-book readers? LMAO!!!– PLENTY MORE….just get your head out of the sand and look, it really is that easy. Or make it worth my time and I’ll go and get you plenty of links from DEV TEAM and other experts in the unlock/JB community that all say GEOs crap is BUGGY..ITS CRAP..HE DOESNT TEST…HE DOESNT PROVIDE SUPPORT..HE RUSHES STUFF TO MARKET WITHOUT PROPERLY TESTING AND THEN IGNORES THE BUGS….HE IS TOO YOUNG AND NAIVE TO ‘DO IT RIGHT’…..HE IS A YOUNG ARROGANT SOB….and etc, etc etc….the RAGGING ON GEO and his BUGGY CRAP is very widespread. And I do mean VERY!–

    You have stated that millions of people are ragging on GH’s software. How did you come up with this number? What statistical evidence can you provide to support your claim? Did you in fact go into every forum on earth and confirm that all comments made were in fact unique and then count them personally? Or did you just search for the word blackra1n and read the number of hits in Google.

    –But geo’s claim that br/bs worked for 95% of 6 mil users is accurate?? LMAO..PLEAAAASEEE…..I will not waste my time providing you with links considering the entire internet is filed with people chatting about their issues and if you havent seen them, then you obviously have your head buried in the sand. BTW, just look up. At first glance it appears you have proof right here on this blog…why are half the people here claiming BR SUCKED and GEO is a *%$#? –

    You seem to talk a lot but you are not actually saying anything. Your comments are infantile junk with no basis in fact whatsoever. In fact they could easily be considered slanderous. Either way your comments have proven that you are just not skilled enough at debate to sound less like a whining 13 year and more like someone with at least half a wit.

    –For such a long post, I am trying to figure out what you are saying as it looks like you are just typing, but not really saying much except for the insults and crazed comments/opinions that appear to be written by somebody far younger then 13. Do you think talking about people sleeping with other peoples mothers and the paragraph after pargraph of inults and crazed commens gives you the proper skills to debate? Maybe for a 10 year old. LOL–

    I’m sure you will ignore my comments or not answer the direct questions within using any semblance of a calm and reasonable manner. I look forward to your response or lack of it.

    –Dont worry, I wont respond to you again. No reason to waste time on claseless juveniles yapping away about nothing as they talk about sleeping with peoples mothers (very claseless…..you have no idea what the ‘case may be with anybodies mother’. I was quite offended by your comment as my mother died in front of me on her 65th b-day…but what if my mother was raped and murdered or abandoned me..or any number of things…..do you think making comments about somebody sleeping with their mother is the MATURE or CORRECT thing to comment on?) Whats next, you will claim that geo is having an affair with my deceased daughter??? Dude, you are really sick to even think of such things, let alone post about sleeping with ones mother or any family member–

    –I will stick to my word and not reply to you again. A) this is all a diservice to Sebastions blog as I dont think his intentions are to have people talk about being inbred and sleeping with your mother, as well as all the profane laced tirades that are posted. B) You are acting like a juvenile nut that is not worth responding to so I wont anymore. C) You are simply wrong and are living with your head in the sand and I could care less if you ever pull it out or not to see the truth and the the facts.–

  • Dylan

    Well, um… that sucks. Tho its kinda funny how one kid cn do anything the dev team can, but make it faster, and easy to use for n00bs. like sabastien said it is his right to developor not, but i think he should. it would be kewl.

  • Dylan

    @GeoHot

    Mabye a free version with no support and a fairly cheap version with support. Just an idea. plus, with tons of people using your jailbreak, u might make bank lol

  • http://blackra1n.com/ George Hotz

    Woke up to read this, I’ll expand on my 95% success number.

    Keep in mind, 5% of 6 million is 300,000. So yes, I’d define 300,000 as a horde of people complaining, but it doesn’t really say much about the amortized quality of the software.

    Try this, google “water flows up” and “water flows down” without the quotes. “water flows up” has almost double the number of results. Although clearly, living in the real world, we know water flows down. But flowing down is the expected behavior of water, flowing up isn’t. So when people see, or think they see, water flowing up, they post about it. Same thing happens with the software, it’s expected to work, so when it doesn’t, or when they think it doesn’t, people post.

    Software is pretty deterministic, with the wifi bug aside, if blackra1n doesn’t work for someone it’s because they did something wrong and didn’t read. Most common things are not restoring fresh and restoring jailbroken apps and such from backup, neither of which is a problem with the jailbreak, but rather a problem with the apps they have on 3.1.2

    Brian, since you are so vocal about it not working, please post in great detail what you did and what didn’t work. Saying it’s an epic fail doesn’t help anyone get to the bottom of bugs. Odds are, if you really post in honest detail, people will point you to a link showing exactly what you did wrong and how to fix it.

  • DazSH

    Worked a treat for me on itouch 3g and iphone 3gs not a single problem.. thx
    Love a untethered version shame it sounds like its not coming from you..

  • daniel

    @ Brian and other rude people:

    There is no reason to speak to people any differently on an internet forum any differently than you would in person. Try reading one of your rants out loud. I imagine you would feel very embarrassed to actually say something like that in front of other people. I hope so, anyways. So please, try to be civil.

    To everybody else,

    If you didn’t donate to geohot and you think he owes you new software, you are wrong.
    If you did donate to geohot and you think he owes you new software, you are wrong.
    I don’t know how much money geohot receives in donations, but I am sure it is a very small amount compared to the amount of effort he puts into his work. If you don’t like his software, don’t use it. If you want him to make new software, ask him nicely or donate if you really want to. But in the end, it’s his call. Let’s all try to be grateful for all the many free options we do have.

  • filipe

    @George Hotz

    I’d prefer having to pay for a software that does an untethered jailbreak as quick as possible,after the iPhone software is upgraded by Apple.

    There is not much reason for support blackra1n is really stragiht forward,and some minor bugs people might have they can easily find the solutions on the internet.

  • Brian

    “if blackra1n doesn’t work for someone it’s because they did something wrong and didn’t read.”

    Oh please…Stop with your B.S. already. How many EXPERTS have said your stuff is BUGGY?? That many? Yet you still claim there is nothing wrong with it and if it doesnt work, the user is doing something wrong?? Sheez, You are unreal. EXPERTS have been saying your stuff is BUGGY…but they are wrong and you are right?

    What about al the people who posted every trick known to man in an effort to get your stuff to work but still cant?? If your stuff worked WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE POSTING LONG LISTS of ‘tricks’ to try to get it to work? Why are so many posting they had to do 25 different things before it worked? Yet you still claim there is nothing buggy or wrong with your software and it is ALL THE USER DOING SOMETHING WRONG if it doesnt work?

    Good grief…..So, you think MUSCLENERD does not know what he is talking about? You dont think ANY OF THE EXPERTS that called your stuff CRAP or BUGGY are correct? They are ALL wrong and you are correct?

    Wow, no way to win an argument/discussion with somebody this high on himself so why try…..Me thinks your IQ is getting in the way of your common sense and vision.

    So, after telling you all the problems I encountered NUMEROUS TIMES and after your ignoring every attempt to get support from you, you now want me to post the problems again? LMFAO..Dude, you ignored them how many times? but now want them to be reposted? Hell, you not only ignored them you replied with your typical ‘I dont give a rats ass what problems you are having’..and guess what mr. genius….look at twitter….look at dev blog..you did this with many, many people..not just me…you put out your CRAP and then didnt give a rats ass when people asked you for help..you in fact mocked and belittled people instead.

    Geo, you are a classeless juvenile, imo……Many agree with me…..and yes, I know many think you are some type of savior..and that is fine..people are entitled to their opinions….if people want to think you are some type of savior, let them think that way…..at the same time, if many think you are a clasless juvenile jerk, they have every right to think that way as well….YOUR actions are what causes people to form an opinion and I do not think it is a coincidence that so many share my exact opinion of you anymore then others think you are some form of savior….

    With such a high IQ, GET OVER IT AND ACCEPT IT..some people LOVE you and some DO NOT..LIVE WITH IT!!!

    Your arrogance is amazing but not surpirsing in the least.

  • Brian

    DrJailbreak (42 minutes ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply blackra1n has a ton of issues
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    cant go anywhere without seeing posts like this…but EVERYBODY is wrong and geo is right? His software is awesome and all thesepeople, many of them EXPERTS, are ALL doing something wrong??

    LMAO…I think I’ll stop now as this is really a waste of time…..GEO, you are a legend in your own warped mind so I will stop wasting my time with you…..

    Lastly, I had your code broke down after the initial release and I posted those findings. The code was broken down by EXPERTS…Read the results and then have fun arguing with yourself claiming how they did not break the code down properly……

  • Brian

    · 1 day ago
    BlackSn0w causes a problem. This is not a BlackSn0w support forum.
    George knows about the problem and is working on it. Try contacting him.

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    But wait, Geo said there are NO PROBLEMS with his software and ANY PROBLEM is caused BY THE USER DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!

    Then why are there THOUSANDS of posts like this on the DEV BLOG alone? This post came from a MEMBER of the DEV TEAM!! And as you can see, they clearly state geo’s stuff has problems and they even say he is aware of it and working on it….But he JUST POSTED that ANY PROBLEMS are NOT HIS SOFTWARE but USERS DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!

    Hmm, looks like GEO seems to have gotten things a bit twisted as it appears pretty obvious he is not being honest.

    I implore people to read the DEV BLOG and then ask why the actual members of the DEV TEAM are constantly saying GEO’s STUFF IS BUGGY and have been since day 1 and still are saying it to this day…then ask yourself why there are thousands of people begging for help due to geos stuff kiling their device and why the dev team responds everytime that GEOS STUFF HAS ISSUES but THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DISCUSS THEM as we have NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS STUFF……GO CONTACT GEO FOR SUPPORT.

    Yet GEO provides no support so that is why people are forced to beg on dev blog for help with geos BUGGY CRAP.

    Sometimes all one needs is a little common sense but for whatever reason, some choose to ignore common sense and facts.

    Why am I even wasting my time posting this? Maybe so GEO can respond again and provide some more B.S. to feed to the masses? I’ll give him that much….he is the master at feeding the herd B.S.